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RPB wrote:

wgoforth wrote:Feeling we need some levity to lighten the mood here, so try this out:
Tomorrow's AM Sermon: Jesus Went Walking On The Water.
Tomorrow's PM Sermon: Searching For Jesus

Made me laugh

Last time I spoke on "Jesus Went Walking On The Water." I started with
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

A Pastor in Abilene told me I sometimes get too detailed and talk over people's heads, and explained to me that not everyone there read the whole book front to back more than once yet. (I spoke too long/detailed about relationships of water/"Living" water/water of separation/water of purification and the Lavers/cleansing prior to service of the temple by Levites and feet washing at the last supper once, and bread/manna another time) so I sit in the cheering section (pews) more and stand up front less now

I think they replaced the clock in the back of the church with a larger, easier to see clock, so we'd know when to sit down

LOL... Preacher always preached on baptism no matter what he started with... so elders liked him, but wanted him to preach other things... sooo, they decided to assign him a topic. Gen 1:1. Next Sunday, preacher gets up and says "In the beginning, God created heaven and earth. The earth is 3/4 water which brings me to baptism"

BTW..where in Abilene? Until 2 years ago, I preached for the North Park church of Christ on Grape St in Abilene for 10 years.

jocat54 wrote:

C-dub wrote:I also heard that this morning and was laughing pretty good until he said the part about Muslims. I guess he can say it, but if he were to actually deny someone that is eligible because of their race or religion I think he would be in trouble. What if he had said he wouldn't teach women because he didn't think they had any business handling a gun and should just stick to cooking?

Why can't he "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

Because the State of Texas says he can't.

The Department of Public Safety said in a statement that certified instructors of handgun training are required to comply with all applicable state and federal laws, and added: "Conduct by an instructor that denied service to individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion would place that instructor's certification by the Department at risk of suspension or revocation." The department has said it has begun an investigation."

My wife was a state licensing program administrator for a couple decades and knows how the law & rules apply in such cases. She says this bigot's license will most likely be revoked if a CHL student/applicant, who passed his course, then he subsequently refused to "approve of" files a complaint. If he has actually done so, then he deserves to have his instructor's certification yanked, IMO.

I think this guy is just as bad as those California sheriffs & New York police chiefs who refuse to approve any law-abing citizen's CHL application because they aren't a celebrity, "connected", or are very wealthy.

It is unAmerican, unTexan and disgraceful, IMO.

I hope the guy reads this post too....and thinks about what he is associating himself with.

Shame on him - I am embarrassed he is a member of our Texas shooting community.

Armybrat wrote:

jocat54 wrote:

C-dub wrote:I also heard that this morning and was laughing pretty good until he said the part about Muslims. I guess he can say it, but if he were to actually deny someone that is eligible because of their race or religion I think he would be in trouble. What if he had said he wouldn't teach women because he didn't think they had any business handling a gun and should just stick to cooking?

Why can't he "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

Because the State of Texas says he can't.

If he's allowed to continue, how long before there's "Whites Only" CHL classes?

boba wrote:

Armybrat wrote:

jocat54 wrote:

C-dub wrote:I also heard that this morning and was laughing pretty good until he said the part about Muslims. I guess he can say it, but if he were to actually deny someone that is eligible because of their race or religion I think he would be in trouble. What if he had said he wouldn't teach women because he didn't think they had any business handling a gun and should just stick to cooking?

Why can't he "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

Because the State of Texas says he can't.

If he's allowed to continue, how long before there's "Whites Only" CHL classes?

I dunno google "Texas reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", sure seems to be a lot of it going on. Not arguing about it just curious.

I don't think Google passed the bar exam. Wrong bar.

I'm pretty sure there's a difference between discriminating against an individual and discriminating against a protected class of people, but I would consult with a real lawyer if I needed real legal advice.

boba wrote:

Armybrat wrote:

jocat54 wrote:

C-dub wrote:I also heard that this morning and was laughing pretty good until he said the part about Muslims. I guess he can say it, but if he were to actually deny someone that is eligible because of their race or religion I think he would be in trouble. What if he had said he wouldn't teach women because he didn't think they had any business handling a gun and should just stick to cooking?

Why can't he "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

Because the State of Texas says he can't.

If he's allowed to continue, how long before there's "Whites Only" CHL classes?

The same could be said about skin of any color, people of any culture or religion. Birds of a feather, flock together... I have no doubt that in some places it probably already happens. But it won't be mainstream because it's just as ludicrous as these and such labels would be:

• White Chamber of Commerce
• White Entertainment Television
• White Pride Day
• White History Month
• NAAWP

txjim42 wrote:The same could be said about skin of any color, people of any culture or religion. Birds of a feather, flock together... I have no doubt that in some places it probably already happens. But it won't be mainstream because it's just as ludicrous as these and such labels would be:

• White Chamber of Commerce
• White Entertainment Television
• White Pride Day
• White History Month
• NAAWP

Good point. People who reject the leftist brainwashing realize it's just as silly (and bigoted) when "White" is replaced with another label. In other words, the "Black Student Union" is no less racist than a hypothetical "White Student Union" at a college.

The same kind of bigotry pervades the so-called hate crimes too. (As opposed to what? Love crimes?)

I would rather see gubbament stay out of it altogether. If someone wants to restrict anything in a free market system, someone else will gladly take advantage of that and offer it to them, seeing a market. I'm not racist whatsoever and have preached for multicultural churches.... just don't like gvt telling folks what they have to allow in private business and organizations.

I wouldn't be surprised if he loses his certification over that add. Funny? Yes. But a no-no under the CHL program if I remember correctly from when I took the CHL instructor course. I don't think you can refuse service based on race, religion, or pretty much anthing else other than safety concerns. For example, you could deny service to someone who was blind because they would be inherently unsafe (unable to identify the target or what lies beyond). Basically, you're acting as a representative or agent of the state. I'm not a lawyer, and I'm sure there's a more specific term for what a CHL Instructor is under the law. Kind of how a realator could not refuse a black family service based on their race and maintail their state license. Or a medicaid doctor refusing to treat gays.

If he was just teaching a course other than CHL, that required no state certification, he'd be OK. (Well, if he was an NRA instructor, he'd probably lose that as well).

I've heard comments about freedom of speech on radio shows. When you take a certification to provide a state mandated service, you lose that right to a certain extent. Don't like it, don't take the certification, license, etc.

punkndisorderly wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he loses his certification over that add. Funny? Yes. But a no-no under the CHL program if I remember correctly from when I took the CHL instructor course. I don't think you can refuse service based on race, religion, or pretty much anthing else other than safety concerns. For example, you could deny service to someone who was blind because they would be inherently unsafe (unable to identify the target or what lies beyond). Basically, you're acting as a representative or agent of the state. I'm not a lawyer, and I'm sure there's a more specific term for what a CHL Instructor is under the law. Kind of how a realator could not refuse a black family service based on their race and maintail their state license. Or a medicaid doctor refusing to treat gays.

If he was just teaching a course other than CHL, that required no state certification, he'd be OK. (Well, if he was an NRA instructor, he'd probably lose that as well).

I've heard comments about freedom of speech on radio shows. When you take a certification to provide a state mandated service, you lose that right to a certain extent. Don't like it, don't take the certification, license, etc.

Actually Medicaid Drs can refuse to treat gays if it is against their moral conscience, http://www.progressivepuppy.com/the_pro ... -gays.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

boba wrote:

txjim42 wrote:The same could be said about skin of any color, people of any culture or religion. Birds of a feather, flock together... I have no doubt that in some places it probably already happens. But it won't be mainstream because it's just as ludicrous as these and such labels would be:

• White Chamber of Commerce
• White Entertainment Television
• White Pride Day
• White History Month
• NAAWP

Good point. People who reject the leftist brainwashing realize it's just as silly (and bigoted) when "White" is replaced with another label. In other words, the "Black Student Union" is no less racist than a hypothetical "White Student Union" at a college.

The same kind of bigotry pervades the so-called hate crimes too. (As opposed to what? Love crimes?)

I had passed through Mason many years ago several times, its in the fringes of the Hill Country. Small Texas town full of mesquite trees and deers abound. Of course known for big land owners and ranches, famous for their high dollar exotic game hunting. Now that Crockett played out his game plan and now is without a doubt a bigot . He is in for the ride of his life. Good luck to him defending his actions .

Along the lines he had chosen the wrong words and he knows his listeners are people of bigoted minds too. Im sure there are other people in Mason who dont want to be part of his sarcasm.

zigzag wrote:I had passed through Mason many years ago several times, its in the fringes of the Hill Country. Small Texas town full of mesquite trees and deers abound. Of course known for big land owners and ranches, famous for their high dollar exotic game hunting. Now that Crockett played out his game plan and now is without a doubt a bigot . He is in for the ride of his life. Good luck to him defending his actions .

Along the lines he had chosen the wrong words and he knows his listeners are people of bigoted minds too. Im sure there are other people in Mason who dont want to be part of his sarcasm.

As a resident of another "fringe Hill Country" town, I doubt the residents there appreciate your referring to them in that way. Mr Keller is a well known Real Estate agent in that community, and I am sure they knew how to take him. Also, the residents consider themselves to be IN the Hill Country. I made the mistake when I first moved to Brownwood of referring to this as West TX, and I was corrected very quickly!