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gdanaher wrote:Novaman,
You unfortunately continue to add your own agenda. Please do not add language or words to my comments that imply they are different from what they are, This is how politicians attempt to sway the uncleansed. Your argumentative nature, attempting to nitpick a single word into something it isn't, is unbecoming and likely to result in the higher powers banning you from the board. Please attempt to stay focused on the topic.

74novaman wrote: In gdanahers case, a counter view point was responded to by attacking me for being "biased" instead of countering an idea with another idea.

Jusster wrote:Oh boy....I hope this isn't becoming an epidemic. Georgia to view its Stand Your Ground law.

gdanaher wrote:

74novaman wrote: In gdanahers case, a counter view point was responded to by attacking me for being "biased" instead of countering an idea with another idea.

This is far too close to the Josef Goebbels school of twisting the truth to be healthy. You failed to respond to the relevant content and went about attempting to split hairs over minutia. There has been a national tragedy in Florida. It looks bad and reflects poorly on anyone who values their 2A rights. It is far more important to focus time and energy on what that legislation in Florida did or did not allow for, and why the local police acted as they did.

Heartland Patriot wrote:...it has NOT been a "national tragedy", except as the media has made it such.

Kabong30 wrote:^ Thank you.

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

Our sister station, FOX 35 in Orlando, has spoken to that witness.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

Hoosier Daddy wrote:"When the true details of the event became public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media."

I hope the truth does come out and it bites certain politicians squarely on their fourth point of contact in November.

Tawana Brawley (born 1972) is an African-American woman from Wappingers Falls, New York. In 1987, at the age of 15, she received national media attention in the United States for accusing six white men, some of whom were police officers, of having raped her. The accusations soon earned her notoriety, which was inflamed by Brawley's advisers (including the Reverend Al Sharpton and attorneys Alton H. Maddox and C. Vernon Mason), the statements of various public officials, and intense media attention. After hearing evidence, a grand jury concluded in October 1988 that Brawley had not been the victim of a forcible sexual assault and that she herself may have created the appearance of an attack. The New York prosecutor whom Brawley had accused as one of her alleged assailants successfully sued Brawley and her three advisers for defamation.

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The case exposed deep mistrust in the black community about winning justice from legal institutions. It also showed how some participants attempted to manipulate the justice system before a full investigation could take place.

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On May 21, 1990, Alton H. Maddox, Jr. was indefinitely suspended by the Appellate Division of the State Supreme Court in Brooklyn after failing to appear before a disciplinary hearing to answer allegations regarding his conduct in the Brawley case.[26]

In 1998, Pagones was awarded $345,000 (he sought $395 million) through a lawsuit for defamation of character that he had brought against Sharpton, Maddox and Mason. The jury found Sharpton liable for making seven defamatory statements about Pagones, Maddox for two and Mason for one. The jury deadlocked on four of the 22 statements over which Pagones had sued, and it found eight statements to be non-defamatory.[27] In a later interview, Pagones said the turmoil by the accusations of Brawley and her advisers had cost him his first marriage and much personal grief.[28]

Pagones had also sued Brawley. She defaulted by not appearing at the trial, and the judge ordered her to pay him damages of $185,000. As of 2003, none of the award had been paid.[29] The $65,000 judgment levied against Al Sharpton was paid for him in 2001 by supporters, including renowned attorney Johnnie Cochran plus former businessman Earl G. Graves, Jr.

The Annoyed Man wrote:and I am cynically tired of seeing teenaged thugs lamented as sweet little angels what never did nuttin' wrong