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Here's a debate some may find of interest.
https://youtu.be/CjDMTCG0bk8

Your thoughts on this?

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/calor ... nfographic

mojo84 wrote:Your thoughts on this?

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/calor ... nfographic

Myself, I've never been able to count calories. I sort of count carbs if I'm trying to keep them below 50g per day but even then it's more intuitive.

CAMBRIDGE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR MEDICAL SCIENCE
Dedicated to advancing and publicizing breakthrough discoveries in the health sciences
Stephen Cavallino, M.D. -
Founder & Chairman (Italy)
• Amid Habib, M.D. • David Sim, M.D.
• Robert Nemer, D.O.

The Cholesterol Myth
“Saturated fat and cholesterol in the diet are not the cause of coronary
heart disease. That myth is the greatest ‘scientific’ deception of the century,
and perhaps any century.”
- George V. Mann, M.D. Professor of Biochemistry and Medicine at Vanderbilt University College of Medicine and a participating researcher in the Framingham Heart Study

http://www.cambridgemedscience.org/repo ... thCamb.pdf

some selected quotes

"The body does have sensors to tightly monitor blood sugar, calcium and so-
dium. The body doesn’t monitor cholesterol levels because the structure of
the cholesterol, not the amount, is what is vital for your health. If we were
eating properly and getting good, natural fats in our diet, there would be
no cholesterol problem. It is the man-made, chemically altered fats, and the
overly high-carbohydrate diet, that cause the problems.
You may be surprised that incidents of Heart Disease have
increased steadily with the introduction of these “healthy” foods and low cholesterol recommendations.

Probable causes of arterial damage are:
• High levels of insulin in the blood damage artery walls and cause
blood clots. This is caused by a diet high in carbohydrates (sugar)
that raise insulin levels.16
Insufficient EFAs compromises arterial health and integrity.
• Oxygen transfer is diminished (caused by EFA deficiency and high
carb diets slowing down bloodstream speed).

Triglycerides – A Strong Warning Signal
The cholesterol “number” is not as significant a risk
for heart
disease compared to triglycerides.
Triglycerides pose a 70%
increased risk
– independent of cholesterol.18
Triglycerides are produced predominantly
from dietary carbohydrates - NOT from dietary fat!19

1

A high-carbohydrate diet causes your triglyceride levels to rise. High
triglycerides are a strong indicator that something is seriously out of bal
-
ance. The proper cholesterol
structure
should be your primary concern
closely followed by your triglyceride levels.
Triglycerides (fats in the blood) decrease as we lose body fat, when we
reduce carbohydrate intake. They also decrease with higher EFA consump
-
tion; while a low fat diet is not going to help reduce triglycerides. The most
important kinds of fats to add to your diet are Essential Fatty Acids (EFAs)
– parent omega 6 and parent omega 3.

There is no biochemical mechanism in the body to directly store dietary
fat as excess body fat. The only mechanism in the body used for storing
body fat originates from sugar (carbohydrate) consumption.
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1% of the
pancreas, the beta cell portion, allows conversion of sugar (carbs) to triglyc
-
eride (bodyfat), while the rest of the pancreas processes fats and proteins.
Adipose tissue (fat) is stored
ONLY
when eating carbohydrates.
24
From
Principles of Medical Biochemistry, page 37, the clear quoted statement
is made: “...fatty acids [from eating fat]
cannot be converted into carbohydrates. Carbohydrates, on the other hand, can be converted into triglycer-
ides [excess body fat]” and “...[E]xcess energy from dietary carbohydrate is
stored away as triglyceride in adipose tissue [body fat].” And “Adipose [fat
cells] need sugar (glucose) for the synthesis of triaglycerols.
As you can see the statement, “eating fat makes you fat,” is WRONG
scientifically! There is no mechanism in your body for storing dietary fat as
excess body fat.

The world’s premier cardiac medical journal,
Journal of Cardiovascular Risk
clearly states that, “HDL/LDL ratio does not improve when saturated fat
is replaced by carbohydrate. The
low-fat diet has been considerably less
effective in lowering total or LDL cholesterol than predicted
.”
30
The Framingham Heart Study found that: “The
more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower the person’s serum cholesterol.”
31
Once again this is the opposite of what we have been told.

and BTW if you haven't watched this video and you've seen enough on the diet stuff....then slide the time bar to 25 minutes where you will get the evidence on how drug companies are scamming you on the positive effects of statin drugs such as Lipitor and Crestor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX1vBA9bLNk

Diamond talks about the "ground breaking" study in 1984 claiming a 24% reduction (the Relative Risk Reduction - RRR ) in heart attacks from taking a cholesterol lowering drug. The Actual Risk Reduction (ARR) in the study was only .4%. IOW if you had been in the study and given a sugar pill you had a 98% chance of not having a heart attack within the 7.5 year study. If you were given the drug you had a 98.4% of not having a heart attack.

That study was contested in 2004 and here is the petition sent to the National Institute of Health (NIH) which where you cardiologist gets his guidelines

Notice who wall signed it.

PETITION TO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH
SEEKING AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW PANEL TO RE-EVALUATE
THE NATIONAL CHOLESTEROL EDUCATION PROGRAM GUIDELINES
September 23, 2004
Dr. Elias Zerhouni
Director, National Institutes of Health
https://cspinet.org/new/pdf/finalnihltr.pdf


And this is the short reply that the Department of Health and Human services, and the NIH and NCEP, gave to this 9 page petition; from Dr Diamond's power point presentation on page 45: http://www.cas.usf.edu/news/Diamond_USF.pdf

Dear Mr. Goozner:
I am responding to the letter of September 23 addressed to Dr. Zerhouni, Director, National Institute of Health, myself, and Dr. Cleeman, which was submitted by you for the signatories. The letter questions the validity of current Adult Treatment Panel III (ATPIII) recommendation for cholesterol management developed by the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) and requests that NCEP conduct a re-review of the data in the studies at issue.

The Institute does not believe a re-review of the data is warranted at the time.

Sincerely,
Barbra Alving, M.D.


And Diamond shows this Lipitor ad. Notice the * after the 36%* which refers to the the blue print on blue background in the lower left. While the ad shows RRR of 36%* in large bold lettering the ARR is only 1%, a difference from 2-3%.



How statistical deception created the appearance that statins are safe and effective in primary and secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease
Expert Review of Clinical Pharmacology (Impact Factor: 2.18). 02/2015; 8(2):1-10. DOI: 10.1586/17512433.2015.1012494
Source: PubMed
ABSTRACT
We have provided a critical assessment of research on the reduction of cholesterol levels by statin treatment to reduce cardiovascular disease. Our opinion is that although statins are effective at reducing cholesterol levels, they have failed to substantially improve cardiovascular outcomes. We have described the deceptive approach statin advocates have deployed to create the appearance that cholesterol reduction results in an impressive reduction in cardiovascular disease outcomes through their use of a statistical tool called relative risk reduction (RRR), a method which amplifies the trivial beneficial effects of statins. We have also described how the directors of the clinical trials have succeeded in minimizing the significance of the numerous adverse effects of statin treatment.

http://www.researchgate.net/publication ... ar_disease

Well, due to this thread, I've gotten serious about changing my eating habits. Early in the year I changed to more of a whole foods diet avoiding sugar and flour with the exception of whole grain bread, pasta and crackers. After reading this thread and studying more of the work of the people featured in the videos, I changed to a low carb high fat diet about three weeks ago. The first couple of weeks I didn't lose any weight, felt terrible like I had the flu and experienced severe leg cramps that wouldn't go away. Even though I wasn't losing weight according to the scale during that period, I could tell something was going on as my pants felt different.

My body finally adjusted and in the last week, I've dropped almost five pounds, moved to a smaller notch on my belt and feel much more energetic and mentally sharper. I also experience almost no hunger, even when it's time to eat. Therefore, I am eating less and feeling complete satisfied.

Looking forward to continuing with the change. Thanks to those that posted here.

Thought it would fun to revive an old thread. I lost about 10 pounds and then stalled eating a very low carb diet. Now I am frustrated and considering reintroducing some minimally processed whole grain foods and fruits.

I also just saw this and thought some of you nutrition focused folks might enjoy it.

http://triathlon.competitor.com/2016/02 ... bia_127919

Me and my wife started September 1, 2015 with a new life. I have lost 49lbs and my wife has lost 26lbs so far. Slow process, but with God all things are possible. We just keep fighting a little at a time. No drugs or surgery.

Carlson's Theology:
1. I didn't get fat overnight so thus I will not become skinny overnight.
2. You can't out run a fork.
3. Everyone is on a diet rather it is a good diet or a bad diet.
4. Lack of prayer is failure at the table.

This is what we have been doing. . .
Eat Every Day:
Fruits
Whole Grains
Leafy Greens
Nuts
Vegetables
Green Tea

Three Times A Week:
Oily Fish
Yogurt
Broccoli
Sweet Potato
Avocado

One Time Weekly:
Red Meat
Pasta
Dessert

Never:
Fast Foods
Soft Drinks
Processed Meals
Canned Soups

That's awesome Carlson. Congrats and keep it up. I need to find something that works for me.

carlson1 wrote:Me and my wife started September 1, 2015 with a new life. I have lost 49lbs and my wife has lost 26lbs so far. Slow process, but with God all things are possible. We just keep fighting a little at a time. No drugs or surgery.

I agree . I have been on a diet for 13 months as of tomorrow . Quit taking most of the prescription meds my doctor had me on , be careful of any prescription medicine , ask questions . Just cut back eating , common sense stuff . My daughter and I just had a big bowl of homemade chicken chili . I have lost 134 pounds in the 13 months by my Walmart scales this morning .

Carlson mentioned a key factor ..............GOD . Ask for his help and if you are sincere he will help and guide you .
( Carlson you and the wife are doing dang good ! Keep it up .)

mojo84 wrote:Well, due to this thread, I've gotten serious about changing my eating habits. Early in the year I changed to more of a whole foods diet avoiding sugar and flour with the exception of whole grain bread, pasta and crackers. After reading this thread and studying more of the work of the people featured in the videos, I changed to a low carb high fat diet about three weeks ago. The first couple of weeks I didn't lose any weight, felt terrible like I had the flu and experienced severe leg cramps that wouldn't go away. Even though I wasn't losing weight according to the scale during that period, I could tell something was going on as my pants felt different.

My body finally adjusted and in the last week, I've dropped almost five pounds, moved to a smaller notch on my belt and feel much more energetic and mentally sharper. I also experience almost no hunger, even when it's time to eat. Therefore, I am eating less and feeling complete satisfied.

Looking forward to continuing with the change. Thanks to those that posted here.

I thought this thread died. Only so much ya can say. You're experience is pretty much the same as mine was. I've always researched nutrition and exercise. I read the American Heart Associations book on nutrition. Now I know there was no good science that went into that book. I have no respect for the AHA. The book The Big Fat Surprise is a good journalistic critique of how these guidelines came about and the lack of science that went into those recommendations

My vice is having a glass or two of wine at night I tend to snack on starch when I do. That's all it takes for the weight loss to stop, I'm good with diet the rest of the day, minimal carbs. To lose weight all I have to do is cut out the wine in the evening.

carlson1 wrote:Me and my wife started September 1, 2015 with a new life. I have lost 49lbs and my wife has lost 26lbs so far. Slow process, but with God all things are possible. We just keep fighting a little at a time. No drugs or surgery.

Carlson's Theology:
1. I didn't get fat overnight so thus I will not become skinny overnight.
2. You can't out run a fork.
3. Everyone is on a diet rather it is a good diet or a bad diet.
4. Lack of prayer is failure at the table.

This is what we have been doing. . .
Eat Every Day:
Fruits
Whole Grains
Leafy Greens
Nuts
Vegetables
Green Tea

Three Times A Week:
Oily Fish
Yogurt
Broccoli
Sweet Potato
Avocado

One Time Weekly:
Red Meat
Pasta
Dessert

Never:
Fast Foods
Soft Drinks
Processed Meals
Canned Soups

Good job dude

Carlson,
Except for the whole grains and fruit, I've been eating pretty much the same things as you. However, not the same ratio of each. I'm tweaking mine to something closer to what you are doing.

My never list is the similar to yours with the exception of a Whataburger every once in a while.

Thanks for sharing.

mojo check your stress level. I know some people do not believe it, but stress is real and is a silent killer. I have a by-pass plus 10 stents. Stress is not good.

Stress is real and has a real physiological effect on the body via the endocrine system. But people don’t often think about the effects of stress because, when you’re neck-deep in life, it’s hard to gain perspective.