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sjfcontrol wrote:

WildBill wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote: Regarding #2 -- Do you have some source for this requirement when carrying under MPA?

This topic has been debated on the forum and I don't remember any clear ruling on this. It is my opinion that if one has a CHL one is carrying under the authority of CHL laws and not MPA.

That is neither my, nor the OP's point. He wanted to know about carry in a car WITHOUT a CHL. So that would be carry under MPA since the driver would not have a CHL (is unlicensed). It is my understanding that there is no requirement to inform an officer if your armed under MPA.

Sorry, I misread #2. Not every requirement is written into the MPA law. Where is the requirement for a CHL to tell an LEO that they are armed? Why would it be any different for MPA?

WildBill wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

WildBill wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote: Regarding #2 -- Do you have some source for this requirement when carrying under MPA?

This topic has been debated on the forum and I don't remember any clear ruling on this. It is my opinion that if one has a CHL one is carrying under the authority of CHL laws and not MPA.

That is neither my, nor the OP's point. He wanted to know about carry in a car WITHOUT a CHL. So that would be carry under MPA since the driver would not have a CHL (is unlicensed). It is my understanding that there is no requirement to inform an officer if your armed under MPA.

Sorry, I misread #2. Not every requirement is written into the MPA law. What is the requirement for a CHL to tell an LEO that they are armed?

I don't believe there is one. As the previous guy said, the problem is avoiding answering the question "are you currently armed" from the officer without lying. I like the answer, "Officer, there is nothing illegal in this car."

What does MPA mean?

MPA is motorist protection act.

Answer to # 1 is refrenced in 411.025
GC §411.205. REQUIREMENT TO DISPLAY LICENSE. (a) If a license holder is carrying a handgun on or about the license holder's person when a magistrate or a peace officer demands that the license holder display identification, the license holder shall display both the license holder's driver's license or identification certificate issued by the department and the license holder's handgun license.
Ok, I got that one.

I know it's a little crazy to join a forum just to post to a particular thread...but I might as well since I'm getting my CHL soon, anyway.

Given a "fishing expedition" during a traffic stop (and making no judgements about whether any has occurred during any of the many examples provided in this thread), I've generally found them easy to deal with. Keep in mind that I once spent a while trying to make a living as a standup comic so I can keep a straight face and never break character during these encounters.

When the irrelevant questions start coming ("Where do you work? What are you doing driving at this time of night? Where have you been this evening?"), I smile and blush and say "Thank you so much; that is sooooo flattering." If they don't respond immediately, I lay it on thicker with "it's been a while since anyone has shown such sincere interest and I'm really flattered by the small talk but I'm already in a relationship."

"Besides, I'm not really sure if you're my type. Of course, I'm sure that's not a problem for a big strong officer like you who's into bears; I'm sure you can find lots of guys ready to have some fun."

For those who need an explanation - "Bear" == gay slang for stout, bordering on fat, hairy guys. I'm straight but I can certainly blush like a schoolgirl at the romantic advances of the sexy guy in uniform who's obviously pulled me over just to start a conversation and ask for a date.

At some point, they always get a little confused and probe further and I just continue the spiel. When it finally hits them that I've assumed they're gay and coming on to me, in every case they've concluded the stop as quickly as possible with an absolute minimum of additional interaction.

I've always considered this a non-confrontational way to quickly move through a stressful situation. I always have the option to fully exercise my rights and would have no problem doing so under intimidation/pressure; I've held stages when audience members were actually throwing shoes at me so telling an LEO that "I do not consent to any searches" is no big deal. However, by playing the little scene outlined above, I've never actually had a traffic stop deteriorate to that point.

Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

benenglishtx wrote:Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

Probably.

WildBill wrote:

benenglishtx wrote:Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

Probably.

I can keep a straight face while taking someone to jail for failing to signal continuously within 100 ft of turning.

Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

I am quite certain I could not pull that one off, besides, I would think "some" may take real offense to your "remarks", which could turn the incident into something worse for you, besides, what happens IF he takes you up on your "converstaion"?

68blackbird wrote:

Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

I am quite certain I could not pull that one off, besides, I would think "some" may take real offense to your "remarks", which could turn the incident into something worse for you, besides, what happens IF he takes you up on your "converstaion"?

68blackbird - Reagarding this post, I think that your signature line speaks volumes.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

gigag04 wrote:

WildBill wrote:

benenglishtx wrote:Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

Probably.

I can keep a straight face while taking someone to jail for failing to signal continuously within 100 ft of turning.

Really, that's a jailable offense?

gigag04 wrote:

WildBill wrote:

benenglishtx wrote:Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

Probably.

I can keep a straight face while taking someone to jail for failing to signal continuously within 100 ft of turning.

C-dub wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

WildBill wrote:

benenglishtx wrote:Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

Probably.

I can keep a straight face while taking someone to jail for failing to signal continuously within 100 ft of turning.

Really, that's a jailable offense?

In Texas, Class C charges are all criminal acts. There are a couple of exceptions where arrests are not allowed such as speeding.\.. but failing to signal a turn IS one of the arrest-able ones.

bronco78 wrote:

C-dub wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

WildBill wrote:

benenglishtx wrote:Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

Probably.

I can keep a straight face while taking someone to jail for failing to signal continuously within 100 ft of turning.

Really, that's a jailable offense?

In Texas, Class C charges are all criminal acts. There are a couple of exceptions where arrests are not allowed such as speeding.\.. but failing to signal a turn IS one of the arrest-able ones.

Wow! I would've lost money on that one. If I were a betting man.

bronco78 wrote:

C-dub wrote:

gigag04 wrote:

WildBill wrote:

benenglishtx wrote:Surely I'm not the only one to utilize this strategy, am I?

Probably.

I can keep a straight face while taking someone to jail for failing to signal continuously within 100 ft of turning.

Really, that's a jailable offense?

In Texas, Class C charges are all criminal acts. There are a couple of exceptions where arrests are not allowed such as speeding.\.. but failing to signal a turn IS one of the arrest-able ones.

If an LEO wants to arrest me for failing to signal, I hope he doesn't mind my laughter on the ride, the Judges laughter in court, or his peer's laughter for the next few days at work.

Grow up and don't waste your time, the courts time, or my time. Focus. Find criminals. De-poof chest.