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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:11 pm
by jrosto
Okay, I am confused:
A 50-year member of the congregation stood for a prayer Wednesday night, and his legally concealed handgun slipped to the floor and went off...

...The man with the gun, Marvin Marks, is a retired police officer. He is not to be confused with Marvin Marks, the retired furniture store owner who was sitting one row back and a few seats over and had nothing to do with the mishap.
So, the Marvin Marks who dropped the gun is 50
Mr. Marks, who is 81, also had a word of apology for his fellow Mr. Marks, who is 86 and had to explain a few times that he didn't drop the gun.

How many Mr. Marks's are at this synagogue?

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:20 pm
by jrosto
Dang, I read that several times and always added "old" after the word 50.

I am not confused any more, just feeling a bit senile myself.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:36 am
by KBCraig
This post from another forum seems relevant here:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum40/2234.html

Kevin

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:38 am
by Dragonfighter
nitrogen wrote:I never understood what incited such hatred in people about Jews.
Nitrogen,

There is a perverse but historical context. I am working from a Swiss cheese memory so forgive any inaccuracies.

I believe it was under Constatine that, taking the record of Mt 27:25 as an imputus, Jews were required to convert to Christianity or surrender their property and leave the country. Many signed that they had and many left.

The disassociation from all things Judaic spread to the holidays. Easter which is supposed to be a celebration of the resurrection of the Christ was separated from the Passover and replaced the pagan fertility rite which occurs on the first Sunday following the first full moon after the Vernal equinox. Some of the symbols of the rite persist, I.E. Easter bunnies, eggs and so on.

Even the art was affected. The images of Christ were Romanized with nice narrow noses and light skin. The tassles that Christ certainly would have worn on his robe never appear in any images. Some have an exaggerated "Jewish" visage on the Judas characters or tax collectors further associating the Jew with evil. Somehow, the fact that the Christ was Jewish was lost to ignorance...which even persists to this day.

Jealousy became an issue also. Business successes even in lean economic times became a catylist for confiscatory laws aimed at Jews. The further removed from the original antisemetic sentiments, the more perverse the prejudice. Ultimately they were painted as the "different" and the root of evil under the facist regime of Hitler. First they were required to register, some were made to leave, most were "relocated", all of there assets confiscated, and then they were murdered by the millions.

Sadly, there is an evil "neo-nazi" sentiment that is palpable in some areas. There is an Islamic Jihad against Jews for daring to form a national identity (Israel 1948). The prejudice is sadly alive today, but it is not new.

Off Topic, but you asked...I think.

God Bless,
Kyle

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:43 am
by rb4browns
KBCraig wrote:This post from another forum seems relevant here:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum40/2234.html

Kevin
At the risk of veering way off topic, there person who wrote that post "personaltrainer1987" made a number of factual errors not necessarily relevant to the point about open carry being good, but he is clearly not nor has he ever been a member of the IDF.

- The IDF has not used UZI's for a long time. They use m-16's, m-4's and the Galil assault rifle.

- Nobody calls the West Bank "The Bank." In Hebrew either the biblical names Judeah and Samaria or simply the "shtuchim" which translates to "the territories."

- The IDF is not going to be so kind as to just simply "transfer" a reserve soldier to Tel Aviv the last day of his reserve duty, "miluim," so he can catch a flight. The army is the army no matter what country you are in....

Anywhoo......

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:52 am
by frankie_the_yankee
KBCraig wrote:This post from another forum seems relevant here:

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum40/2234.html

Kevin
The author seems like a frustrated novelist. And there's a good reason for his frustration - he doesn't write very well.

I got about halfway through and bailed. The story just doesn't ring true - particulaly the behavior and dialog attributed to the New Yorkers.

Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:42 pm
by Photoman
Dragonfighter wrote:
nitrogen wrote:I never understood what incited such hatred in people about Jews.
Nitrogen,

There is a perverse but historical context. I am working from a Swiss cheese memory so forgive any inaccuracies.

I believe it was under Constatine that, taking the record of Mt 27:25 as an imputus, Jews were required to convert to Christianity or surrender their property and leave the country. Many signed that they had and many left.

It goes back way before Constantine. The Egyptians haven't been to happy with them since that plague thing happened. :shock: