I am curious as to which part has the serial number and how visible it will be. I can see problems with police officers not knowing or understanding the weapon and not being able to find a serial number when they want to run one.
Of course, I am assuming the metal action is the numbered part if you can change frames and slides.
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Exactly. Here's the "firearm":srothstein wrote:I am curious as to which part has the serial number and how visible it will be. I can see problems with police officers not knowing or understanding the weapon and not being able to find a serial number when they want to run one.
Of course, I am assuming the metal action is the numbered part if you can change frames and slides.
That shiny piece of folded steel, about 3" long, is the "frame", thus legally the firearm. It bears the serial number, which is visible through a cutout in the right side of the polymer lower. Everything else is just "parts".
Whatcha want to bet you could carry that "firearm" right onto an airplane, but couldn't carry the non-gun lower?
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Wow.. thanks for the kind words!!
My 'shop' (house) is in north Frisco. You're welcome to come by and check out Sigs anytime. I deal in just about everything, but mostly stock Sigs (I don't post in the classifieds here out of respect for the Mods wishes--not really a commercial site).
I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the 250's. As soon as they come in, I'm taking one shooting, providing I like the trigger enough, and from the specced pull weight I imagine I'll like it just fine. The reset is a big question for me as well. I already got my shipment of spare mags in, so I have high hopes for the guns shipping on time. They should be here Monday or Tuesday.
As soon as my shipment of spare grip-frames come in, I'll turn a few into Dremel dust, to see what mods can be made there. FWIW, the additional grip frames will run $35-$40.
If anyone is interested in pricing on the 250, drop me a pm or email. Be sure to let me know if you're in the Dallas area as pick-up is cheaper than shipped.
Also, just something interesting I noted on my new 2008 Dealer Price list from Sig is that they have listed .22 conversion kits for the entire line of Classic Sigs.
-Ted
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My 'shop' (house) is in north Frisco. You're welcome to come by and check out Sigs anytime. I deal in just about everything, but mostly stock Sigs (I don't post in the classifieds here out of respect for the Mods wishes--not really a commercial site).
I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of the 250's. As soon as they come in, I'm taking one shooting, providing I like the trigger enough, and from the specced pull weight I imagine I'll like it just fine. The reset is a big question for me as well. I already got my shipment of spare mags in, so I have high hopes for the guns shipping on time. They should be here Monday or Tuesday.
As soon as my shipment of spare grip-frames come in, I'll turn a few into Dremel dust, to see what mods can be made there. FWIW, the additional grip frames will run $35-$40.
If anyone is interested in pricing on the 250, drop me a pm or email. Be sure to let me know if you're in the Dallas area as pick-up is cheaper than shipped.
Also, just something interesting I noted on my new 2008 Dealer Price list from Sig is that they have listed .22 conversion kits for the entire line of Classic Sigs.
-Ted
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469-362-8720 DFW Area
877-362-8720 Toll Free
469-362-8730 Fax
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Hey Ted, had a chance to try out a P250 yet? Would like to here your impressions.zeroskillz wrote:I'll have 6 of them on hand early next week, and one is going to the range with me and 1000 rounds. I'll let you know what I think of them.
They plan on three grip frame sizes with three widths each,:
A full size (20 rounds of 9mm)
Compact and (16 rounds of 9mm
Sub Compact
Each coming in Sm Med and Lg grip circumferences.
All that will be out before shot show is the 9mm compact/medium, I believe.
-Ted
I'm looking for a handgun for my wife, but the standard Sig grip size is just too big for her hands. Figure the 250 just might be the ticket...
Thanks!
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P250's are in....
First impression of the trigger is I like the pull-lighter than DAK, but stiff enough to make me comfortable carrying it. The reset is long (all the way out), would have liked it a bit shorter...
The slide is a bit more boxy than your usual Sig.
Take-down is quick and easy, just like the video showed.
If there are any specific questions I can answer for you I'll do my best.
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Shooting impressions:
First off mags hold 15 rounds as opposed to the 16 I was expecting, might just be the new springs, but when I forced 16 into one mag, it was real difficult to get that first round back out (by hand). I hope that's just a break in issue.
The grip felt good--although I look forward to experimenting with the other sizes when available. I felt this one may have been a touch on the large side for me, or just right with a bit of grip tape added. I typically find Sigs polymer grips to be a touch slippery for me, and that's how I found the grip on the 250. So if you've got no problems with the usual grips, these will do just fine for you.
Fully loaded the gun feels nice and light. I'm comparing it to my usual 229 that I carry, so that's to be expected. Comparable to a Glock IIRC.
The trigger pull is surprisingly smooth for a fresh-from-the-factory Sig. Not a Jab, just usually they can use a little break in before the DA pull really smooths out. Not the case here, nice consistent smooth pull all the way to the break. Lighter than DAK, way lighter than the DA pull on DA/SA guns. I might measure it later. long but good.
Recoil is a bit more snappy (than my 229), on par with a Glock, as should be expected. The 250 I have shot at POA, and did so better than I usually do (more on that later). The gun settled back down for me well for follow up shots.
The long trigger reset clearly comes into play for me when shooting double taps. I''m not nearly as fast as I am with DA/SA, however by the end of the range session I was getting much better at prepping the trigger (ala Bruce Gray) for follow up shots. Definitely something that can be learned, just like doing it with a DA/SA gun. However, there isn't a place where it 'stops' so to speak, just before the break like on my DA/SA guns. It's just a nice even pull all the way to the shot break. That takes a little practice to get used to is you prep your trigger. I had a few go high while pulling in the slack during recoil. But again, that's just a practice issue. Bottom line on the trigger, dang nice, but not my favorite. (My favorite is the SAO glass rod break on the X5, but that's not fair to compare the 250 to. :) )
So rapid fire would require a bit more practice by me to master the new trigger. Slow fire was fantastic. I don't know if the long pull makes me focus more or if it's just the gun, but my groups were much smaller than they usually are for the first box of ammo, and stayed that way for the rest of the session. While I'm a decent shot, I'm not the best, so I'll save you the measurements. Lets just say that the forth mag stayed in the red at 25 yards. This gun really surprised me. I was shooting it much better than the 229 that I've shot 25K rounds through or so, on par with my X5 Competition. I'm not enough of an 'expert' to figure out why though.
So I left the range feeling pretty good .
Take down and cleaning goes as easily as any other Sig with the notable addition of having the whole 'frame' assembly pop out to make cleaning all the little parts a breeze. I haven't gone so far as to take the frame assembly apart (yet), but it looks to be pretty straight forward.
I see a number of these in my future, especially once the DA/SA module comes out possibly late 2008. I see this gun as clearly intended for Law Enforcement and Self Defense. It could be a game gun once the trigger is mastered, but that's not really it's forte.
Keep in mind this is all the opinion of some dude the ATF gave a FFL to. I'm no expert.
-Ted
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First impression of the trigger is I like the pull-lighter than DAK, but stiff enough to make me comfortable carrying it. The reset is long (all the way out), would have liked it a bit shorter...
The slide is a bit more boxy than your usual Sig.
Take-down is quick and easy, just like the video showed.
If there are any specific questions I can answer for you I'll do my best.
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Shooting impressions:
First off mags hold 15 rounds as opposed to the 16 I was expecting, might just be the new springs, but when I forced 16 into one mag, it was real difficult to get that first round back out (by hand). I hope that's just a break in issue.
The grip felt good--although I look forward to experimenting with the other sizes when available. I felt this one may have been a touch on the large side for me, or just right with a bit of grip tape added. I typically find Sigs polymer grips to be a touch slippery for me, and that's how I found the grip on the 250. So if you've got no problems with the usual grips, these will do just fine for you.
Fully loaded the gun feels nice and light. I'm comparing it to my usual 229 that I carry, so that's to be expected. Comparable to a Glock IIRC.
The trigger pull is surprisingly smooth for a fresh-from-the-factory Sig. Not a Jab, just usually they can use a little break in before the DA pull really smooths out. Not the case here, nice consistent smooth pull all the way to the break. Lighter than DAK, way lighter than the DA pull on DA/SA guns. I might measure it later. long but good.
Recoil is a bit more snappy (than my 229), on par with a Glock, as should be expected. The 250 I have shot at POA, and did so better than I usually do (more on that later). The gun settled back down for me well for follow up shots.
The long trigger reset clearly comes into play for me when shooting double taps. I''m not nearly as fast as I am with DA/SA, however by the end of the range session I was getting much better at prepping the trigger (ala Bruce Gray) for follow up shots. Definitely something that can be learned, just like doing it with a DA/SA gun. However, there isn't a place where it 'stops' so to speak, just before the break like on my DA/SA guns. It's just a nice even pull all the way to the shot break. That takes a little practice to get used to is you prep your trigger. I had a few go high while pulling in the slack during recoil. But again, that's just a practice issue. Bottom line on the trigger, dang nice, but not my favorite. (My favorite is the SAO glass rod break on the X5, but that's not fair to compare the 250 to. :) )
So rapid fire would require a bit more practice by me to master the new trigger. Slow fire was fantastic. I don't know if the long pull makes me focus more or if it's just the gun, but my groups were much smaller than they usually are for the first box of ammo, and stayed that way for the rest of the session. While I'm a decent shot, I'm not the best, so I'll save you the measurements. Lets just say that the forth mag stayed in the red at 25 yards. This gun really surprised me. I was shooting it much better than the 229 that I've shot 25K rounds through or so, on par with my X5 Competition. I'm not enough of an 'expert' to figure out why though.
So I left the range feeling pretty good .
Take down and cleaning goes as easily as any other Sig with the notable addition of having the whole 'frame' assembly pop out to make cleaning all the little parts a breeze. I haven't gone so far as to take the frame assembly apart (yet), but it looks to be pretty straight forward.
I see a number of these in my future, especially once the DA/SA module comes out possibly late 2008. I see this gun as clearly intended for Law Enforcement and Self Defense. It could be a game gun once the trigger is mastered, but that's not really it's forte.
Keep in mind this is all the opinion of some dude the ATF gave a FFL to. I'm no expert.
-Ted
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Here's a breakdown of the gun:
It is as advertised: DAO
Sig has plans for a DA/SA version, but don't expect it for awhile.
A SAO version would be pretty sweet as well.
And I'm looking forward to the other Grip Modules as well. FWIW, they'll sell for around $40 when they become available. I told my rep to send a few when they come out so I can take a Dremel to them for fun
They will be available in Full Size, Compact, and Sub Compact. Each of those will be available in three grip circumferences, Small, medium and Large.
The DAO trigger seems to be what alot of people take issue with, and while it's different, it's a dang nice, light DA trigger. Very smooth and consistent from start to break.
Also, Sig has .22 conversion kits for all the classic line Sigs coming out this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they make one for the 250 as well..
-Ted
It is as advertised: DAO
Sig has plans for a DA/SA version, but don't expect it for awhile.
A SAO version would be pretty sweet as well.
And I'm looking forward to the other Grip Modules as well. FWIW, they'll sell for around $40 when they become available. I told my rep to send a few when they come out so I can take a Dremel to them for fun
They will be available in Full Size, Compact, and Sub Compact. Each of those will be available in three grip circumferences, Small, medium and Large.
The DAO trigger seems to be what alot of people take issue with, and while it's different, it's a dang nice, light DA trigger. Very smooth and consistent from start to break.
Also, Sig has .22 conversion kits for all the classic line Sigs coming out this year. I wouldn't be surprised if they make one for the 250 as well..
-Ted