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Charles L. Cotton wrote:Great scenario, but I think you lose. Put the gun in the trunk on the way home.

Best advise I've heard in all of this...I'd take this one seriously...It could help you avoid a long gap in between posts...

Would if it were locked up? in say, a locking glove box, or a lock box?

not in "reach" of either driver/passenger, but could be used in SD if you ask the BG if he could please wait till you unlock and get your gun...

txinvestigator wrote: He was not making or arguing that point. He was referring to the authority under which he would be carrying so as to determine which laws he might be violating.

Understood, I was just trying to make the point that regardless of which authority you are carrying under, if you have a CHL, you must present it if there is a handgun on or about your person and you are asked for ID. The discussion was centered around who (himself / spouse) was carrying under what authority. I wanted all to be aware that you still have to present your ID's if asked and carrying under any authority. In my view, you would be wise to do so even if you think the other person is carrying under the new law. If the gun is in the console, I think it might be considered on or about your person and saying that it is only on or about the other front seat passenger might not fly.

GrillKing wrote:If the gun is in the console, I think it might be considered on or about your person and saying that it is only on or about the other front seat passenger might not fly.

Especially if you are 3 sheets to the wind...

GrillKing wrote:

txinvestigator wrote: He was not making or arguing that point. He was referring to the authority under which he would be carrying so as to determine which laws he might be violating.

Understood, I was just trying to make the point that regardless of which authority you are carrying under, if you have a CHL, you must present it if there is a handgun on or about your person and you are asked for ID. The discussion was centered around who (himself / spouse) was carrying under what authority. I wanted all to be aware that you still have to present your ID's if asked and carrying under any authority. In my view, you would be wise to do so even if you think the other person is carrying under the new law. If the gun is in the console, I think it might be considered on or about your person and saying that it is only on or about the other front seat passenger might not fly.

Thats all fine, but it has nothing to do with this topic, nor did anyone state otherwise.

surprised Frankie hasn't said something about the drinking thing!

Lemme ask you this: Are you planning on being able to use the gun after you get loaded? I think at the point you decide you're going to drink to inebriation (and I have no problem with you doing that, your business), you need to lock that thing up (trunk).
what are you going to do on the drive home? You're not in the right frame of mind to make those type of decisions, you sure don't want your gun accessible to you.
now, if your wife if fully capable of using your Gat, then that's another story totally.
once again, I'm not making any kind of high-browed moral thing out of this, I'm just saying that when you make the decision to drink to the point where you can't drive (and that ain't that much), you need to do the same thing and just hand over the Gat.

txinvestigator wrote:
Thats all fine, but it has nothing to do with this topic, nor did anyone state otherwise.

OK, I'll drop it.....

Wow, I'm honored to have made so much commotion..........I think.

To be told to "grow up", or that I'll be 3 sheets to the wind, is a bit harsh. Do you know how easy it is to get up to .08? 3 beers or 2 glasses of wine, that's it for me. That won't put anyone I know inebriated! I do drink responsibly, pace myself, etc. If you buy a breathalyzer, you'll see how easy it is to be .08. It's a wedding for Pete's sake! There's wine with dinner! I'm not "that drunk guy"....geez. By "fair amount", I meant not 1, but not 6. 1 glass before dinner, one during, and probably 1 or 2 after dinner. This during a 5-6 hour time period.

And where does PI come in? I'm at a private ceremony, then going home? Once again, not falling down drunk. My wife works for a State Farm agent and she has seen the devastation a DWI brings, so she drives even after I have 2 beers at a Mexican restaurant for example. If that's PI, what's all the politically correct hoopla over having a designated driver?

Thank you Mr. Cotton for the recommendation, but we were going in an SUV. Now I'll consider spiffing up the car a bit and going in it so that I have a trunk to put it in. The only scenario I'd need it in anyway is if broken down, or someone's broken into the house when we get home, so trunk works.

Really, thank you all for the enlightening posts. I edited this after calming down a bit. I haven't been told to grow up in a very long time, but I don't want to seem unappreciative of the feedback and knowledge gained.

What if you got your wife a proper holster so that she could carry concealed on her person while driving?

She would leave the gun in the car whenever she left the car of course. And you would leave the car at those times as well.

If it is in a holster that she is wearing, it would seem to me that she would be the only one who was "carrying" while in the car. So whether or not you were above 0.08% BAC would not be an issue.

MBGuy wrote:Wow, I'm honored to have made so much commotion..........I think.

To be told to "grow up", or that I'll be 3 sheets to the wind, is baloney. Do you know how easy it is to get up to .08???? 3 beers or 2 glasses of wine, that's it.

I don't know where you heard that, but unless you are about 100 pounds and drink those beers in about an hour you will NOT be at .08%.

I have been to 2 schools as a LEO, one as a student learning to estimate BAC using Standardized Field Sobriety Test, and as a volunteer drinking so other students could test me.

I am also a certified instructor in Texas' Responsible Alcohol Service Program.

A 160 pound man would need 6 beers over about 3 hours to reach a BAC of .08%. A 200 pound man would need about 7 over the same period of time.

I have seen enough .08% people to unequivicolly state that .08% IS drunk.

There's wine with dinner! I'm not "that drunk guy"....geez. By fair amount, I meant not 1, but not 6. 1 glass before dinner, one during, and probably 1 or 2 after dinner. This during a 5-6 hour time period.

Lets say you weigh about 160 and have 4 glasses of wine over 6 hours; you would have an undetectable BAC. A healthy liver metabolizes .015% BAC per hour, so in 6 hours you would have metabolized .09%. You would not be the slightest intoxicated.

And where does PI come in? I'm at a private ceremony, then going home?

You will be in public going from the place where you drink to the car, and the roadways are public. if your wife was stopped and the police think you are intoxicated and a danger to yourself or others, you can be arrested for PI. And they don't have to offer you a breath test or prove ANY BAC, just that you were intoxicated, which is a subjective term.

Once again, not falling down drunk.

You don't have to be to be a danger.


YOU said you would be drunk. Don't get defensive when we tell you that is a bad idea.

frankie_the_yankee wrote:What if you got your wife a proper holster so that she could carry concealed on her person while driving?

She would leave the gun in the car whenever she left the car of course. And you would leave the car at those times as well.

If it is in a holster that she is wearing, it would seem to me that she would be the only one who was "carrying" while in the car. So whether or not you were above 0.08% BAC would not be an issue.

You're probably right, but she'll be wearing a dress and I seriously doubt she'd be willing to put on my shoulder holster while driving. She wouldn't need to disarm since the only time it'd have to be on her is on the drive home, and we won't be stopping anywhere in between.

I wonder if it's in her door map packet works? It's outta my reach.....sorta.

I'll probably listen to Charles and stow it in the trunk. A good side effect with that is that it can't get stolen too easily while at the reception.

txinvestigator wrote:

MBGuy wrote:Wow, I'm honored to have made so much commotion..........I think.

To be told to "grow up", or that I'll be 3 sheets to the wind, is baloney. Do you know how easy it is to get up to .08???? 3 beers or 2 glasses of wine, that's it.

I don't know where you heard that, but unless you are about 100 pounds and drink those beers in about an hour you will NOT be at .08%.

I have been to 2 schools as a LEO, one as a student learning to estimate BAC using Standardized Field Sobriety Test, and as a volunteer drinking so other students could test me.

I am also a certified instructor in Texas' Responsible Alcohol Service Program.

A 160 pound man would need 6 beers over about 3 hours to reach a BAC of .08%. A 200 pound man would need about 7 over the same period of time.

I have seen enough .08% people to unequivicolly state that .08% IS drunk.

There's wine with dinner! I'm not "that drunk guy"....geez. By fair amount, I meant not 1, but not 6. 1 glass before dinner, one during, and probably 1 or 2 after dinner. This during a 5-6 hour time period.

Lets say you weigh about 160 and have 4 glasses of wine over 6 hours; you would have an undetectable BAC. A healthy liver metabolizes .015% BAC per hour, so in 6 hours you would have metabolized .09%. You would not be the slightest intoxicated.

And where does PI come in? I'm at a private ceremony, then going home?

You will be in public going from the place where you drink to the car, and the roadways are public. if your wife was stopped and the police think you are intoxicated and a danger to yourself or others, you can be arrested for PI. And they don't have to offer you a breath test or prove ANY BAC, just that you were intoxicated, which is a subjective term.

Once again, not falling down drunk.

You don't have to be to be a danger.


YOU said you would be drunk. Don't get defensive when we tell you that is a bad idea.

Probably fed to me by my wife. I know I've read it elsewhere that .08 is really quick to achieve. I weigh 200. I don't know if I've ever drank 7 beers in 3 hours.........but I know I've been drunk before. Maybe I need to buy a better breathalyzer.

What I meant was that I'd be .08, of which I now stand corrected. I know there's no minimum as to regards carrying, or even DWI.....I remember that thread. Since I thought I'd be .08, I was merely, and erroneously, considering myself drunk by those standards. I got defensive because I don't ever get 3 sheets to the wind, especially in public, but my incorrect assumption that I'd be .08 caused you to come to that conclusion.

But now that I know I won't be .08...............just kidding, I'm putting it in the trunk.

Be very careful with those little cheap hand held breathilizers. They are not much more than a novelty. First, you should wait at least 15 minutes without drinking, burping, etc, before blowing. This allows the alcohol in your mouth and throat to dissipate.

txinvestigator wrote:Be very careful with those little cheap hand held breathilizers. They are not much more than a novelty. First, you should wait at least 15 minutes without drinking, burping, etc, before blowing. This allows the alcohol in your mouth and throat to dissipate.

That's exactly what it is, a $20 cheapy. Readings were all over the place, but my wife always wanted to use the highest reading. That's what happens when you marry someone in auto insurance and that doesn't drink.

So if .08 really doesn't mean anything for DWI, what keeps a LEO from being a bad guy and just accusing you of DWI just because you had 1 or 2 at a restaurant? I'm not accusing LEOs of being bad, I'm just predicting my wife's question when I tell her I really can drive home from our favorite mexican restaurant.

DoubleJ wrote:surprised Frankie hasn't said something about the drinking thing!

Lemme ask you this: Are you planning on being able to use the gun after you get loaded? I think at the point you decide you're going to drink to inebriation (and I have no problem with you doing that, your business), you need to lock that thing up (trunk).
what are you going to do on the drive home? You're not in the right frame of mind to make those type of decisions, you sure don't want your gun accessible to you.
now, if your wife if fully capable of using your Gat, then that's another story totally.
once again, I'm not making any kind of high-browed moral thing out of this, I'm just saying that when you make the decision to drink to the point where you can't drive (and that ain't that much), you need to do the same thing and just hand over the Gat.

Second smartest thing I've seen written today...

Yeah, my bar is set pretty low, but that's beside the point...