Texas State University concealed hand guns statement

atxgun · Post by **atxgun** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:51 pm

UT Austin has a rifle range on campus:

http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/rrn.html

I'm a proud alumnus :)

Edit: on a side note they do have a metal detector on the way to the top of the tower since they reopened it for tours.

LarryH · Post by **LarryH** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:01 pm

atxgun wrote:UT Austin has a rifle range on campus:

When I was in grad school there (1970-71), they also fired pistols.

atxgun · Post by **atxgun** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:12 pm

LarryH wrote:
atxgun wrote:UT Austin has a rifle range on campus:
When I was in grad school there (1970-71), they also fired pistols.

What was the feeling about guns like back then after the 66 shooting?

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:36 pm

Just remember Mr. University Spokesman...
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

LarryH · Post by **LarryH** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:39 pm

atxgun wrote:What was the feeling about guns like back then after the 66 shooting?

Don't really know. I was on active duty at the time, so didn't mingle much with the civilian students, except the other grad students in my department.

atxgun · Post by **atxgun** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:02 pm

kauboy wrote:Just remember Mr. University Spokesman...
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

Yeah I completely agree. If you read the wikipedia article on the shooting the police are even quoted as saying the civilians that came to help w/ their personal guns should be commended.

txmatt · Post by **txmatt** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:43 am

A lot of attention seems to be paid to the remote risk of a VT-style shooting happening on campus, but I think we should not overlook the more pressing problem of prohibiting CCWs on campus, which is that doing so creates a very large unarmed population vulnerable to violent criminals of all varieties. There have been several incidents of violent crime on my campus in the last year, and it seems to be getting worse. If a business wants to post a 30.06 and ensure that only criminals are armed, that's up to them (and I have a right to go elsewhere), but that should not be the case at a public university.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:12 am

txmatt wrote:A lot of attention seems to be paid to the remote risk of a VT-style shooting happening on campus, but I think we should not overlook the more pressing problem of prohibiting CCWs on campus, which is that doing so creates a very large unarmed population vulnerable to violent criminals of all varieties. There have been several incidents of violent crime on my campus in the last year, and it seems to be getting worse. If a business wants to post a 30.06 and ensure that only criminals are armed, that's up to them (and I have a right to go elsewhere), but that should not be the case at a public university.

These VT type shotings are rare and far and few between, While an arguement must be made to counteract claims that VT is a reason for more arms control when we know that gun free zones are really the ez killing fields.

The truth is though that real and most likely dangers for students isn't the crazed gun man out to kill as many as they can, but rather the every day crimes of rapes and assaults. We have inner city universitys and the students are just sitting ducks.

Texas Southern University, University of Houston and Rice are some of the most dangerous places to visit especially at night.

Photoman · Post by **Photoman** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:08 am

Dragonfighter wrote:Lesson after lesson and they just don't get it. And our kids are supposed to learn from those that won't?

They get it. They're just not willing to risk all the assets of the University and their own livelihood....and I wouldn't either.

Without extensive tort reform, none of this will change.

DoubleActionCHL · Post by **DoubleActionCHL** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:22 pm

Let's ask the simple question:

If more guns = BAD, why are the specially trained officers armed? Hmmmm...

We're just too stupid and feckless to defend ourselves. Reminds me of "Black Man With A Gun." If you don't know who I'm talking about, look him up.

http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/

G-Ma · Post by **G-Ma** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:13 pm

I graduated HS 5/65 from a little South Texas town. Most of my friends went to UT, and, though I didn't attend there, I spent a lot of time on campus visiting those who did. The civilians, who came to the aid of the officer were viewed as heros. They kept the bad guy busy, while the "professionals" had time to do their job.

If that happened, today, they would get shot by SWAT, IMHO, because they would not be distinguished from the bad guys. Today, anyone with a gun is considered a bad guy. I liked the old way better. The good guys carried guns and wore white hats ... Stetson's! For real. My Grandpa had one that he would toss on the ledge behind the back seat, when he got in the car. Never missed. As kids, we were all amazed and impressed.

Most kids were given their first BB gun at age 6 and their first .22 rifle at age 10 and were expected to treat them with the respect they deserved. Many adults carried a pistol in full view, especially the banker, jeweler, etc., and no one gave it a second thought. We took Dad's guns out and shot any time we wanted, and no one thought it strange to see a group of Elementary School aged kids with a rifle heading for the drainage ditch to shoot at cans. Today, they'd get arrested and the parents would be put in jail. Ah, for the good old days.

dukalmighty · Post by **dukalmighty** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:11 pm

Until leo's can teleport to a crime just before it occurs and stop the crime from happening i don't see aleeert whatever it is saving the first victims ,even when you hear gunfire and respond you could be several minutes away from confronting the BG that's a lot of victims if the guy is trying to make headlines

ELB · Post by **ELB** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:11 pm

kauboy wrote: "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

Excellent. I like that. Did you come up with that yourself, or do you know who did?

As to the Tower shootings -- I remember reading an article sometime this year by a man (believe it was a faculty member) who was visiting a professor when Whitman started shooting. The professor took his DEER RIFLE off of the file cabinet, loaded up, and started shooting back.

Don't make college professors like they used to, I guess.

elb

kauboy · Post by **kauboy** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:50 am

I heard that from a local radio host. He wants to make bumper stickers

I liked it so much, I felt obliged to share.

FightinAggieCHL · Post by **FightinAggieCHL** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:10 pm

LarryH wrote:
atxgun wrote:UT Austin has a rifle range on campus:
When I was in grad school there (1970-71), they also fired pistols.

I'm on the A&M pistol team, and we have a competition there every year for our sectionals match. It's a nice range too.