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Chaplin wrote:Hi,
45, 4 life. No,this is not my choice for a weapon to carry. The one I use now is eyes, ears, brain and cellphone. Key is to look like a sheepdog.
But the question is what are the legal limits. The line between a gun and rifle is blurred with this type of weapons.
A review of "what is your carry" in this forum, shows individuals with 20 to 40 rounds, maybe 2 weapons, pepper spray, 1-2 knifes. What is the reason?
What kind of world requires this much fire power. It is sad if we need to use these kind of tools to live. Sheep, wolf, sheepdog world? Will the future require more fire power? Will we travel only on amoried convoys with private security? I have been in countries with sniper tower in the parking lots, just go south 1500 miles. I know a right not used, is right lose. So, a CHL is a requirement to keep the right to bare arms.
Yes, I am new to CHL. But I have worked 30 years in major ER trauma centers and a Vet.
These are just questions about who we are or what we are becoming in this world.

First of all, 20 to 40 rounds sounds like a lot, but if you're carrying a "wonder-nine" like a Glock 17 or Ruger SR-9 and an extra mag, that's 30-36 rounds right there. There's been a lot of pooh-poohing of autoloaders by the revolver crowd (I'm also on handgunforums.net) who say that if you can't hit a guy in six shots you need some target practice, but I say that 15 rounds is absolutely necessary against multiple assailants, a guy high on drugs, or a guy who's found cover, all of which are totally imaginable scenarios in which a guy with a six-shooter would pray for a semi.

2 weapons is less a question of needing to spray bullets from two barrels in two directions as it is a "which can I get to first?" scenario. Your BUG is generally deeply concealed in a pocket or on your ankle, so your primary carry is generally the fastest draw. However, semis can fail, and if you have a revolver the extra gun is more than a backup, it's extra loaded ammunition.

Knife, spray, taser, baton etc provides a force continuum. A gun is the last option; if it's the only option from the get-go you were either surprised or you planned very poorly, or both. Even if a gun is your only weapon you can turn and run or fight bare-handed. If you cannot run or fight you are generally in a situation where shooting is totally justified. However there are situations in which the use of deadly force is not appropriate (most drunk and disorderlies fall into this category), but "ignoring" the situation or fighting bare-handed would put you at a severe disadvantage (all my aikido training aside, if a 300-pound guy doesn't want to fall down he ain't gonna). Generally you're justified in using force if fighting would land you in the hospital and you can't run from the situation, but why bother with the lawyer? A squirt of pepper spray will, 9 times out of 10, defuse the situation as peacefully as possible.

There are also situations in which, if you wish to enter, you have to leave your gun behind. Sports events are a primary venue in which drunk guys are looking to pick a fight and you don't have the option of deadly force. Pepper spray or a knife is generally legal to have in those places, and better than bare hands if you need to win a fight quickly and decisively, or avoid one altogether.

None of this is about thinking you'll need it all in one fight, or expecting to be attacked. If I ever thought I'd need to become a walking arsenal to avoid being killed on US streets, I'd join the Marines and at least get paid to be shot at. It's the Boy Scout mentality; be prepared. That means equipping yourself with what's feasible to deal with what could happen, and knowing how to improvise what you don't have if it does happen. You can't improvise a gun, so carry one. Nor can you improvise bullets, and at 15 rounds a pouch it makes sense to carry an extra mag. You can improvise a knife, but the genuine article is better, and you can get some very effective examples in pretty small packages. You can improvise pepper spray, but the tools to do so are bulkier than a can of the real thing, so again, why bother? It's practical to carry these things and makes you able to quickly and effectively handle a number of unpleasant situations, all of which are totally possible however unlikely in modern society.

Depending on who you ask, who you read, who you decide to trust will determine what you do. The whole self defense/CHL lifestyle, to me, is evolving literally on a daily basis.

With the exception of when I am in the confines that my occupation places on me I am carrying one pistol, sometimes two. When at home I always have a second pistol by my side with a shotgun close at hand,

I am currently revising my focus on what/how/when I do things. Why? Because of my first comment and what I consider the exponential deterioration of conditions in Texas, the USA, and the world.

Read, ask, talk, discuss, and never stop learning. Keep training and practicing.

Anygunanywhere

I carry OC, because, well, there are plenty of instances where force may be required, but not deadly force.
I carry a knife cause I hate trying to open boxes with my hands.
I carry an extra mag, just in case the first one jams.
I carry a back-up gun, because I CAN. also in case the first one jams, runs out of bullets, I drop it, or my girlfriend needs a gun (she doesn't have a CHL yet).

I don't think I'm a cop. I'm certainly not TactiCool. AND I am no one's sheep dog.

seamusTX wrote:Sorry. I meant that someone without a CHL who was caught carrying a Kel-Tec PLR-16 without a CHL would be charged with UCW because it is a handgun. The police and the rest of the justice system would consider it a handgun.

- Jim

Ah, my mistake. We were on the same page.

Yup..if you could hide em..these would be covered under a CHL





Note the lack of buttstock

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Now where the HECK would you conceal those suckers?!?!?!

Thanks to everyone. This has been fun to read.

Molon_labe wrote:Now where the HECK would you conceal those suckers?!?!?!

Smartcarry????????????

Molon_labe wrote:
Now where the HECK would you conceal those suckers?!?!?!

Down the front of a baggy pair of bib overalls

Chaplin wrote: A review of "what is your carry" in this forum, shows individuals with 20 to 40 rounds, maybe 2 weapons, pepper spray, 1-2 knifes. What is the reason?

What kind of world requires this much fire power. It is sad if we need to use these kind of tools to live. Sheep, wolf, sheepdog world? Will the future require more fire power? Will we travel only on amoried convoys with private security? I have been in countries with sniper tower in the parking lots, just go south 1500 miles. I know a right not used, is right lose. So, a CHL is a requirement to keep the right to bare arms.
Yes, I am new to CHL. But I have worked 30 years in major ER trauma centers and a Vet.
These are just questions about who we are or what we are becoming in this world.

Here's the thing. People have been doing this for a very long time. It is new to you because you are just now becoming aware of it. It is likely that you've come in close contact with hundreds of armed folks without knowing it. OC is a relatively new development, but everything else you listed isn't that far out of the ordinary. Throughout the history of this country, people have carried firearms. From colonial days to the Old West to the Great Depression to current day. The laws have changed, but the necessity to defend one's self and family has not. The disarming of the common public in the U.S. is only a more recent development, historically speaking. The carrying of knives is as old as history itself.

I believe that in reality, what you see here is not a trend away from normalcy towards an armed police state, but rather an opening of your eyes to how the world has always been - people arming themselves in order to survive.