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Based on the 911 call I tend to agree. I am not saying he did the right thing, or that I would have acted that way, but an elderly couple is going to perceive a threat much differently than I. Without that call to prove what they were thinking at the time it might be a totally different story IMO.HighVelocity wrote:It all comes down to what Mr Frosch "perceived" as a threat. I am waiting to see what the Grand Jury says but I have a feeling they'll no-bill Mr Frosch.
,cop looked and yep bullet hole in garage,the officer took her revolver asked if she had more bullets and reloaded it then handed it back to her and told her not to just be shooting at noises that she needed to make sure that whoever it was was there to harm her .Yes I believe it was in Texas 
No one "innocently" walks into a house, especially if the doors are locked. Drunk people can commit violent acts just as much as sober ones can. Often, they will use the "but I was drunk" excuse--I'm rather tired of hearing it. If you're drunk and wander into someone's house and get shot, that's your fault. Allowing a chemical to takeover your mental faculties is irresponsible, and you cannot expect others to be responsible for your behavior.bdickens wrote:Castle doctrine or no castle doctrine, there is no justification for putting a bullet in someone who just happens to be in your yard outside your window. There are all sorts of begnin, albeit not very smart, reasons why someone could be there. We see one in this case.
People even innocently walk into the wrong house. Someone could be drunk and got a ride home and was dropped off in front of your house instead of his three doors down. It is the homeowner's duty to attempt to ascertain why that person is there and if he poses any threat.
I'm with you on the personal responsibility stuff, Venus, wholeheartedly. But I must admit, there's some niggling doubt in my head as to what went on with the driver. At the risk of overquoting Jim, until we know everything and the outcome of it all we won't be sure, but here are the two relevant quotes from that one article that we have:Venus Pax wrote:No one "innocently" walks into a house, especially if the doors are locked. Drunk people can commit violent acts just as much as sober ones can. Often, they will use the "but I was drunk" excuse--I'm rather tired of hearing it. If you're drunk and wander into someone's house and get shot, that's your fault. Allowing a chemical to takeover your mental faculties is irresponsible, and you cannot expect others to be responsible for your behavior.
I agree that Mr. Frosch shot a little too soon, but I get the idea that he is being blamed for Ms. Nall's death. The drunk driver is at fault for Ms. Nall's death. The drunk driver chose to get on the road after having too many drinks, and because of that, a sixteen-year-old boy just lost his mother.
IANAL, but if he was legally drunk, why wasn't he charged with something other than what sounds like a Good Samaritan law? Why not DWI/DUI? Why not vehicular manslaughter? One wonders exactly how much detail the reporter (or for that matter, the sheriff's office) really had at the time the article was written.A man who had been drinking drove his vehicle into her lane, striking her head-on, police said.
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Agustin Renteria, 27, of Kaufman was driving the 1996 Ford that hit Ms. Nalls' truck. He was charged with failure to stop and render aid and was being held at the Kaufman County Jail in lieu of $75,000 bail, said Sgt. Bryan Francis, a Kaufman County sheriff's spokesman.
JTAs of Sunday night, the only person arrested as a result of Saturday night's incidents was Agustin Renteria, 27, of Kaufman. Mr. Renteria was eastbound in a 1996 Ford vehicle that drifted into the westbound lanes, striking the car in front of Ms. Nalls' pickup before hitting her vehicle, police said.
Mr. Renteria was charged with failure to stop and render aid, Sgt. Francis said. He was being held at the Kaufman County jail in lieu of $75,000 bond, Sgt. Francis said.
Mr. Renteria had been drinking alcohol, though it is unclear whether he was intoxicated, according to the state Department of Public Safety.
I did that too and my key wouldn't start it ,then i realised the car was really cleanbdickens wrote:"No one "innocently" walks into a house...."
Wrong.
It's happened to my wife, before we were married. Someone walked right in. Thought it was the house next door.
I sat down in the wrong car, once. Perfectly sober too. Came out of a Wendy's, walked right out to what I thought was my car, opened the door and got in the driver's seat. Then I realized that it wasn't my stuff in the passenger seat. I'm sure glad that it wasn't paranoid old Mr. Frosch's car!
ok first thought was i been robbed somebody stole all my trash 
I also have a problem with the boys being 2 to 3 feet from the window of their neighbor during the night for any reason. After seeing the tv new report of Frosche showing the reporter the hole in the glass where he fired throught the window I have another problem. Unless those boys were actively trying to open that window I don't think Frosche should have shot at them. I'm sure he was scared and was thinking the boys were probably 'up to no good'. I just don't think that their mere presence outside justified shooting at them through the window.AFJailor wrote:Am I the only one that questions the boys story? I mean come on, they "heard music playing" and decided to jump fences through peoples yards and stand just feet from some elderly mans back window? Sounds to me like they were up to no good and through together a story to make them look better. But I am medicated ATM so maybe I am not thinking right.
Devin's mother, June Nalls, 41, died in a car accident minutes later while driving the boys to the hospital. A man who had been drinking drove his vehicle into her lane, striking her head-on, police said.
That's all he's charged with?Ms. Nalls was killed minutes later in the accident, which also ruptured Brandon's spleen. Devin suffered minor injuries and was released from the hospital Sunday.
Agustin Renteria, 27, of Kaufman was driving the 1996 Ford that hit Ms. Nalls' truck. He was charged with failure to stop and render aid and was being held at the Kaufman County Jail in lieu of $75,000 bail, said Sgt. Bryan Francis, a Kaufman County sheriff's spokesman.
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§ 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree.Teenagers have never been known for their wisdom. More of them can be categorized as temporarily stupid than mean.AFJailor wrote:Am I the only one that questions the boys story? I mean come on, they "heard music playing" and decided to jump fences through peoples yards and stand just feet from some elderly mans back window?