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I am reminded of the incident about a year ago in the parking lot of a Houston restaurant when a suspect attempted to rob an off duty cop headed inside. The cop had game and fired his weapon, resulting in one dead suspect. Eating out sure ain't what it used to be.

tx_bob wrote:Wonder how long it will take these robbers to figure out Taco Cabana is easy pickings for the bad guy?

TC is posted with non-compliant 30.06 around here. I carry there whenever I want.

Where did it say they were armed?

Rex B wrote:Where did it say they were armed?

The second link was to the video. At the very end of the report, the reporter says they used guns in all of the robberies.

That does seem like something that should have been included in the article.

AEA wrote:Had I been there, as soon as they forced the couple to their knees, I would be shooting (if collateral hits could be minimized). If they actually shot someone, then I would be shooting regardless of collateral hits.

Only problem with that is you are responsible for all your bullets and who they impact,your bullet kills an innocent person you're facing manslaughter or worse

dukalmighty wrote:

AEA wrote:Had I been there, as soon as they forced the couple to their knees, I would be shooting (if collateral hits could be minimized). If they actually shot someone, then I would be shooting regardless of collateral hits.

Only problem with that is you are responsible for all your bullets and who they impact,your bullet kills an innocent person you're facing manslaughter or worse

After this happened a few years ago, at Luby's, I gave it a lot of thought. That's why I say, leave if you can. Those who left, lived. Fight ONLY if they force you to. That way, if someone else gets hurt, at least you have a defense that you had no choice or you would have been dead, too. For me, they have to pretty much fire the first shot or turn a gun on one of my family members. If they turned the gun on me, I would wait until they turned in another direction to react. Otherwise, you don't have a choice in the matter. You're dead, when you go for your gun. In other words, I have to be convinced that the guns are not just props and there are no innocents in the way, before I produce my gun. Then, they have to make a first move, before I would even think about firing. The couple on their knees will recover without my help, as long as the guy didn't fire his gun, first. There's no sense escalating an already bad situation by being trigger-happy. If I err, I want to err on the side of caution. IMHO.

locknload wrote:

dukalmighty wrote:

AEA wrote:Had I been there, as soon as they forced the couple to their knees, I would be shooting (if collateral hits could be minimized). If they actually shot someone, then I would be shooting regardless of collateral hits.

Only problem with that is you are responsible for all your bullets and who they impact,your bullet kills an innocent person you're facing manslaughter or worse

After this happened a few years ago, at Luby's, I gave it a lot of thought. That's why I say, leave if you can. Those who left, lived. Fight ONLY if they force you to. That way, if someone else gets hurt, at least you have a defense that you had no choice or you would have been dead, too. For me, they have to pretty much fire the first shot or turn a gun on one of my family members. If they turned the gun on me, I would wait until they turned in another direction to react. Otherwise, you don't have a choice in the matter. You're dead, when you go for your gun. In other words, I have to be convinced that the guns are not just props and there are no innocents in the way, before I produce my gun. Then, they have to make a first move, before I would even think about firing. The couple on their knees will recover without my help, as long as the guy didn't fire his gun, first. There's no sense escalating an already bad situation by being trigger-happy. If I err, I want to err on the side of caution. IMHO.

WHAAAAAT? If a firearm is presented, unless it has a blaze orange tip and is a toy its already a threat!

Most of the time surprise is what will save you

dukalmighty wrote:

AEA wrote:Had I been there, as soon as they forced the couple to their knees, I would be shooting (if collateral hits could be minimized). If they actually shot someone, then I would be shooting regardless of collateral hits.

Only problem with that is you are responsible for all your bullets and who they impact,your bullet kills an innocent person you're facing manslaughter or worse

Bingo...

I am though reminded of a neat little funny SRVA, Compvest & Jbirds and the other Conroe folks do after their Wednesday night IDPA fun matches...That little pizza place right around from the entrance IS one of the safest places in S.E. Texas that night!

Armed thugs come in...

"SHOOTER READY???"

click click click click...

It would get ugly real quick...Me??? I'd keep eating pizza...Watching the festivities...

LOL, Locknload. To paraphrase a past SCOTUS judge, I believe Oliver Wendell Holmes, commenting in a shooting case, "There is not time enough in these types of situations to deliberate such fine points." Something like that. You either got game when an incident goes down, or you don't. I can vouch based on several personal experiences involving guns that it happens so fast you are running on instinct during the critical moments and shaking on adrenalin before and after. Surreal how you calm out in the kill zone. It's best to avoid these times and places, but anymore it's hard to 100% a policy of avoidance. I'm writing from an amateur's point of view, of course. I reckon the pros get better at it as they go through a multitude of events. I know I have.

When I buy fast food I get it at the drive through and eat it in the farthest spot in the parking lot. I don't like eating inside these places. I back in with no other vehicles crowding me so I can exit easily and see clearly whose coming and going.

It would seem my preferences may keep me above ground longer.

I wonder if I'm alone in this practice?