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Warning shot close to him after he wouldn't remain on the ground??? Or is that not a good idea...?

Aggie_engr wrote:Warning shot close to him after he wouldn't remain on the ground??? Or is that not a good idea...?

Let's see what's wrong with that idea. Inside a building, no hearing protection, concrete floor, lots of things to ricochet off of,.... Plus, in a defense situation, I would never fire a warning shot. IMO, in a situation like that, he should have stood his ground and not let the guy advance on him. I will leave it at that.

jimlongley wrote:Why is it that some of these Darwin Award candidates choose to walk in to a deadly weapon - do they think they're Superman?

Years ago a young kid rang my doorbell at zero dark thirty and proceeded to descibe to me, in graphic terms, the plans he had for my teenage daughter. As he advanced into my house, my wife, standing out of view to the side handed me my shotgun, which I then pointed at his head. Even eye to eye with a 16ga he kept trying to advance, making threatening gestures, and further verbal threats.

Eventually I was able to convince him to kneel down and lace his fingers behind his head and we waited for the police that way. When the police arrived - no 911 in those days, we called the precinct direct - he got up and tried to leave, and then tried to have me arrested for Assault with a Deadly Weapon. The cops just laughed at him as they fitted him with his new set of silver bracelets.

You know what they say...

Love and hormones are blind...

I feel for that guy and the amount of total frustration he had to be feeling with the 911 operator. Funny, until I read this I think I would have stayed on the phone with 911. Now I think I would give them the pertinent information and lay the phone down. Very good point, why would I need to sit on the phone with them?

jimlongley wrote:Why is it that some of these Darwin Award candidates choose to walk in to a deadly weapon - do they think they're Superman?

Years ago a young kid rang my doorbell at zero dark thirty and proceeded to descibe to me, in graphic terms, the plans he had for my teenage daughter. As he advanced into my house, my wife, standing out of view to the side handed me my shotgun, which I then pointed at his head. Even eye to eye with a 16ga he kept trying to advance, making threatening gestures, and further verbal threats.

Eventually I was able to convince him to kneel down and lace his fingers behind his head and we waited for the police that way. When the police arrived - no 911 in those days, we called the precinct direct - he got up and tried to leave, and then tried to have me arrested for Assault with a Deadly Weapon. The cops just laughed at him as they fitted him with his new set of silver bracelets.

I have a daughter and stories like this terrify me. You showed unbelievable restraint in not pulling the trigger on him. I prey I would be able to do the same, but I don't think I would. My fear of that kid going through with his threats might have cost him his life.

Lodge2004 wrote:

Liberty wrote:Lesson learned: It is OK to Hang up on the 911 operator. It is not a time to worry about being polite.

Why not just leave the line active but put down the phone? I'd rather have the incident recorded, primarily because there is going to be a lot of yelling being done by me (STOP...PUT IT DOWN...GO AWAY...STOP) and I want it all on tape if possible.

Then there's Joe Horn. I think we can all agree that his situation would have turned out better had the incident NOT been recorded.

I think Joe Horns phone call worked in his favor more than against him. At least people could see that it was a frustrating situation. If he hadn't of had a call in to 911, he'd have two men shot in the back and nothing else to prove that the authorities were sought out first as the remedy.

Second, I cant believe that guy didn't shoot him. If I have reason to draw on someone like that and I have ordered them down, I'm in a confined space and there's no telling if that person would try and wrestle my gun away from me or produce another weapon, the first act of aggression or non compliance would be grounds for force. That guy was really controlled in his emotions and was logical enough to think about the civil consequences. Thats the same type of forced thinking that gets people killed in these politically correct wars.

I can see the benefit of having pepper spray handy now. I'm going to get some today. For situations like that, it would be cleaner and more defensible than a 230 grn Hydrashok.

BTW

petroleumag07 wrote:I think Joe Horns phone call worked in his favor more than against him. At least people could see that it was a frustrating situation. If he hadn't of had a call in to 911, he'd have two men shot in the back and nothing else to prove that the authorities were sought out first as the remedy.

While I have no firsthand knowledge of the case, I believe the phone call simply muddied the waters. It probably had no significant bearing on criminal prosecution, but it set in motion a huge, racially charged circus. It's quite possible that the circus would have ensued in the absence of the recording, but I believe the recording exacerbated the situation. I speculate that the plain clothes Pasadena police officer who supposedly witnessed the shooting did more to help his case than the recording. Also, it was certainly possible for him to place the call to 911 and hang up so the entire episode wasn't on tape. An audio recording can be a skewed version of reality.

Lodge2004 wrote:

Liberty wrote:Lesson learned: It is OK to Hang up on the 911 operator. It is not a time to worry about being polite.

Why not just leave the line active but put down the phone? I'd rather have the incident recorded, primarily because there is going to be a lot of yelling being done by me (STOP...PUT IT DOWN...GO AWAY...STOP) and I want it all on tape if possible.

That would be my preference; tell the dispatcher "I understand you can hear me, but I cannot hear you at all," then put the phone down and yell at it. You'll have to make sure to give address/directions and descriptions, but it will leave your hands free to do what you need to.