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pavaloni wrote:I agree

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jmra wrote:

pavaloni wrote:I agree

Let me guess - you want to list something in the marketplace and need to get your post count up.

Ahhhhh, now it makes sense to me. I was wondering why so many 2008 threads were necroposting. The pavaloni responses have been deleted so I was wondering why jmra was posting in these old threads. . . . I'm a little slow, but the dots finally connected!

a council member or two wanted me to cease the invocation prior to council meetings because i prayed 'in Jesus' name'. i told them that would be OK, but we'll also stop saying the pledge and we'd get right to city business. guess what... we still have invocation 'in Jesus' name.'

mayor wrote:a council member or two wanted me to cease the invocation prior to council meetings because i prayed 'in Jesus' name'. i told them that would be OK, but we'll also stop saying the pledge and we'd get right to city business. guess what... we still have invocation 'in Jesus' name.'

At public events, I've never heard anyone say, "...I pray." I've always heard, in Jesus' name we pray." Never thought that was quite right for non-Christians in attendance.

G26ster wrote:

mayor wrote:a council member or two wanted me to cease the invocation prior to council meetings because i prayed 'in Jesus' name'. i told them that would be OK, but we'll also stop saying the pledge and we'd get right to city business. guess what... we still have invocation 'in Jesus' name.'

At public events, I've never heard anyone say, "...I pray." I've always heard, in Jesus' name we pray." Never thought that was quite right for non-Christians in attendance.

never really thought about it. they ask me to perform the invocation so I do - usually just asking for help to keep us from being idiots, followed by the pledge.

actually, and I may catch flack for it, my preference is to call the meeting to order and get to city business.

When I was growing up here, every public gathering, city council, PTA, football game, Lions Club meeting, concert etc started off with "Let us pray...." No more. Public prayers of that sort are gone.

Some years ago I was back here for a visit, and went to a Lions Club meeting with my dad. They started off with, "Did you hear the one about the Aggie who...."

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G26ster wrote:

mayor wrote:a council member or two wanted me to cease the invocation prior to council meetings because i prayed 'in Jesus' name'. i told them that would be OK, but we'll also stop saying the pledge and we'd get right to city business. guess what... we still have invocation 'in Jesus' name.'

At public events, I've never heard anyone say, "...I pray." I've always heard, in Jesus' name we pray." Never thought that was quite right for non-Christians in attendance.

I am a Christian and I will pray a Christian prayer any place I am asked or so desire. IMO that as a Christian, if you do not pray in Jesus the Christ's name, it don't count, hence the word Christian. If you are a Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/Hindu and you are asked to pray at social events, pray in your manner, I will be respectfully silent. I also expect the same. This political correctness taking over, even one's prayers to one's deity I have never understood and will not support. I usually am asked to pray whenever prayers are wanted at all my Office's functions and all know my beliefs. I don't parade them on my sleeve, but I will refuse to be forced to conform to this stale, tasteless world, where you can't even acknowledge your God.

DEB wrote:

G26ster wrote:

mayor wrote:a council member or two wanted me to cease the invocation prior to council meetings because i prayed 'in Jesus' name'. i told them that would be OK, but we'll also stop saying the pledge and we'd get right to city business. guess what... we still have invocation 'in Jesus' name.'

At public events, I've never heard anyone say, "...I pray." I've always heard, in Jesus' name we pray." Never thought that was quite right for non-Christians in attendance.

I am a Christian and I will pray a Christian prayer any place I am asked or so desire. IMO that as a Christian, if you do not pray in Jesus the Christ's name, it don't count, hence the word Christian. If you are a Muslim/Jew/Buddhist/Hindu and you are asked to pray at social events, pray in your manner, I will be respectfully silent. I also expect the same. This political correctness taking over, even one's prayers to one's deity I have never understood and will not support. I usually am asked to pray whenever prayers are wanted at all my Office's functions and all know my beliefs. I don't parade them on my sleeve, but I will refuse to be forced to conform to this stale, tasteless world, where you can't even acknowledge your God.

I do not want to make this a religious debate. My post was about the use of "I pray" vs. "we pray." It is nothing more than being about choice of words, as word have meaning.

I was addressing when leading a public prayer, when you say "we" pray, rather than "I" pray, you are including everyone attending implicating they are also praying in Jesus' name. This has nothing to do with political correctness. It's a matter of respecting others religious beliefs, not just your own. You may pray any way you wish, but when you "lead" a prayer at a public event and begin with "Let US pray," where there are those in attendance that do not pray as you do, and say "in Jesus' name WE pray" at the end, you are implying they are also praying in Jesus' name. To me it is not appropriate, but I recognize it is the norm. If you were to say "in Jesus' name I pray, it would be totally appropriate IMHO.