What do you think about rifle car carry?

Flatland2D · Post by **Flatland2D** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:51 pm

I've been looking into getting a long gun for car carry. Those of you afraid of getting an expensive AR stolen might want to consider an AK type rifle with a folding stock. They even make them with shorter barrels, too (they might classify as AOW though). I've considered using my SAR-1 for this purpose but it means too much to me to risk getting stolen. I need to buy a new gun and not get attached to it! Still ~$300 plus a new stock is a pretty good deal.

Anyone consider the Kel-Tec Sub 2000? I really like "unique" looking guns and this one would fit easily in a trunk or under a seat. My only concern is that it shoots handgun cartidges (9mm and .40) and might still lack penetration, even with it's longer barrel. Anyone have any experience with a 9mm long gun? If it can't penetrate I wouldn't buy one for car carry (but I'd still want one as a fun gun).

Kel-Tec also offers a few .223's that fold up but they are a bit more expensive than the Sub 2000.

And yes, God bless Texas!

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:20 pm

AK clones have a look that, to me, screams Gang Banger.

A Ruger mini-14 is a great choice, and if one likes the 7.62 x 39, a Ruger mini-30 works.

Don't forget the venerable .30 carbine either. At contact to 50 yards it has plenty of velocity to be a serious hitter. And Cor Bon has new, higher velocity JHP round.

Boma · Post by **Boma** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:45 am

God Bless Texas. The AK is going in the car until I get my CHL. =)

WNallG30 · Post by **WNallG30** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:18 am

I agree Tx. The AK-47 in any configuration to me screams "gang-banger". Don't get me wrong, it's a proven gun and a good weapon, but that's just my opinion. I'm an AR fan myself. I have 2. I've been thinking about the best way to keep one in my truck as well. I haven't gotten around to it, but I think I'm going to get a roof mounted rack with a locking strap around the gun. I've seen them in Cabela's and other similar places. When mounted on the roof in the cab of my truck, someone will actually have to make the effort to look in and up to see it. If nothing else, you could check out Galls and actually get a police type mount for just about any place you wanted to mount one.

gigag04 · Post by **gigag04** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:56 am

Some thoughts on good ways to stow a long gun.

For trunk:

Build a rack that will hold it in place on the lid of the trunk. There is lots of sheet metal and support there and you could easily hide it by modifying a cheap gun carrier.

For inside the vehicle:

modify and old window gun rack you used to see in pickups, and simply bolt it lower behind the seat. I have seen this done and it was a great way to hide/protect your long guns when they are in the truck. Being from a small town, one can always still see visible long guns in trucks, but more and more people are doing it this way.

I also really like the LEO bracket, but I think it's a bit extreme. For my truck, I want to eventually lift my rear seat a few more inches and install a tool chest-type sliding drawer (real thin) that would reveal an m-4(replica style), flashlight, mags, extra handgun etc. That's a long way away though.

Diode · Post by **Diode** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:06 am

I would love to carry a shotgun in my jeep. I just cant figger out a way to secure it with a soft top on the jeep. Does anyone know of a way to do this?

nitrogen · Post by **nitrogen** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:14 am

Diode wrote:I would love to carry a shotgun in my jeep. I just cant figger out a way to secure it with a soft top on the jeep. Does anyone know of a way to do this?

What kind of jeep do you have? Does it have a Roll-Bar? That'd be your best bet; to attach something there, or if the rear seats fold down, you can attach something there.

Diode · Post by **Diode** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:19 am

nitrogen wrote:
Diode wrote:I would love to carry a shotgun in my jeep. I just cant figger out a way to secure it with a soft top on the jeep. Does anyone know of a way to do this?
What kind of jeep do you have? Does it have a Roll-Bar? That'd be your best bet; to attach something there, or if the rear seats fold down, you can attach something there.

Yeah, I had thought about the roll bar, it's a 1990 Wrangler. I guess I needto look up some different mounts and see if I can rework one.

Jacob Staff · Post by **Jacob Staff** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:44 pm

Why not get a Ruger Ram

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/RugerRam/index.html

Diode · Post by **Diode** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:51 pm

Jacob Staff wrote:Why not get a Ruger Ram

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/RugerRam/index.html

Ewwwww!

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 2:52 pm

I'm all for keeping a rifle or shotgun handy as often as possible. Don't forget, though, that the elements justifying use of deadly force don't change just because of the type of firearm you have.

It's going to be a very rare circumstance that legally justifies engaging at rifle distances. I consider a rifle or shotgun to be better insurance for four-legged threats, or multiple two-legged predators within handgun range.

Kevin

Diode · Post by **Diode** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:02 pm

KBCraig wrote:I'm all for keeping a rifle or shotgun handy as often as possible. Don't forget, though, that the elements justifying use of deadly force don't change just because of the type of firearm you have.

It's going to be a very rare circumstance that legally justifies engaging at rifle distances. I consider a rifle or shotgun to be better insurance for four-legged threats, or multiple two-legged predators within handgun range.

Kevin

Good point,

Photoman · Post by **Photoman** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:11 pm

I carried a Winchester .44 Trapper for four years before Texas had the CHL option. Worked great.

gigag04 · Post by **gigag04** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:46 pm

Yes but lets not forget the situation at the courthouse. One well placed rifle shot could've ended that escapade w/o further incident.

Body armor is a real defense that you should think about having an answer for.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:08 pm

Diode wrote:
KBCraig wrote:I'm all for keeping a rifle or shotgun handy as often as possible. Don't forget, though, that the elements justifying use of deadly force don't change just because of the type of firearm you have.

It's going to be a very rare circumstance that legally justifies engaging at rifle distances. I consider a rifle or shotgun to be better insurance for four-legged threats, or multiple two-legged predators within handgun range.

Kevin
Good point,

What is "rifle distance"? I train from contact out to 300 yards.