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nitrogen wrote:

Furyataurus wrote:But the rule change already went into effect. Obama can't undo it by executive order can he????

No, he can't.

The rule already went into effect. If he wants to undo it, he has to go through the comment process again.

Relax, everyone.

We still have park carry.

You're right. I found this out after I made my last post in this thread. But I still wonder how long we'll have National Park carry. 'Cause I guarantee you that President Obama doesn't like it.

Like I mentioned in the other post here...

My Dad left yesterday for a trip to Yellowstone Park to take some pictures and stuff...He's retired and has earned these fun little trips...

What had been planned and discussed between he and I about the trip and what he was going to take changed because he caved at the last minute and decided not to carry his firearm with him on this trip...We had it all worked out...And always the way we plan our trips to support out right to keep and bear arms is factored into the equation...

I have to say I am dissapointed (and not surprised) by the new administrations clear message delivered by the media to instill enough doubt into the minds of some people to change their minds and create enough hesitation in regards to doing something to protect yourself (just in case)...

I'm sure my Dad will have a great trip, and it will be enjoyable...But I do not appreciate that the simple wave of a hand, less than half a day in office, and the current administrations first newsworthy act is to put at extreme risk our right to keep and bear arms, and the lives of the unborn in peril...

I am not a happy camper...

stevie_d_64 wrote:...But I do not appreciate that the simple wave of a hand, less than half a day in office, and the current administrations first newsworthy act is to put at extreme risk our right to keep and bear arms, and the lives of the unborn in peril...

I am not a happy camper...

Are you really surprised? Is ANYONE who has paid attention during the campaign really surprised?

We all knew this was coming whether we admitted it to ourselves or not. Otherwise there would not have been such a run to buy weapons everyone pretty much knows Obama will put a ban on, and the empty ammo shelves everywhere is a pretty good testament to that also. Have you TRIED to buy .223 ammo lately?

Hold on to your guns, boys and girls - and your wallets. The next 4 years is going to be a wild ride. We all need to be vigilant, though with Obama's attitude toward opposition that's already emerging, he really does think he's The Obamessiah, as shows by what he told Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) who was objecting to a proposal by Obama in a White House meeting yesterday:

"I won," he said, according to aides who were briefed on the meeting. "I will trump you on that."

Apparently with Obama, it's my way or the highway.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01 ... nt-things/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kythas wrote:

stevie_d_64 wrote:...But I do not appreciate that the simple wave of a hand, less than half a day in office, and the current administrations first newsworthy act is to put at extreme risk our right to keep and bear arms, and the lives of the unborn in peril...

I am not a happy camper...

Are you really surprised? Is ANYONE who has paid attention during the campaign really surprised?

We all knew this was coming whether we admitted it to ourselves or not. Otherwise there would not have been such a run to buy weapons everyone pretty much knows Obama will put a ban on, and the empty ammo shelves everywhere is a pretty good testament to that also. Have you TRIED to buy .223 ammo lately?

Hold on to your guns, boys and girls - and your wallets. The next 4 years is going to be a wild ride. We all need to be vigilant, though with Obama's attitude toward opposition that's already emerging, he really does think he's The Obamessiah, as shows by what he told Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) who was objecting to a proposal by Obama in a White House meeting yesterday:

"I won," he said, according to aides who were briefed on the meeting. "I will trump you on that."

Apparently with Obama, it's my way or the highway.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01 ... nt-things/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No, I knew some things like this were coming, and on the National Park carry thread (here) I told folks this was probably going to happen with a new Interior Secretary coming online it just may...

What was surprising that it happened within the first few hours of the first full day of this "new" administration...I just thought that the change (reversal) was going to come from the Cabinet Secretary, and not so much the President of the United States directly...

I think we are more than in big time trouble here, if that this is one of the first official acts of this administration...But, again, I am not surprised...

stevie_d_64 wrote:Like I mentioned in the other post here...

My Dad left yesterday for a trip to Yellowstone Park to take some pictures and stuff...He's retired and has earned these fun little trips...

What had been planned and discussed between he and I about the trip and what he was going to take changed because he caved at the last minute and decided not to carry his firearm with him on this trip...We had it all worked out...And always the way we plan our trips to support out right to keep and bear arms is factored into the equation...

I have to say I am dissapointed (and not surprised) by the new administrations clear message delivered by the media to instill enough doubt into the minds of some people to change their minds and create enough hesitation in regards to doing something to protect yourself (just in case)...

I'm sure my Dad will have a great trip, and it will be enjoyable...But I do not appreciate that the simple wave of a hand, less than half a day in office, and the current administrations first newsworthy act is to put at extreme risk our right to keep and bear arms, and the lives of the unborn in peril...

I am not a happy camper...

I am very confused. Your father has not lost any rights to carry into Yellowstone park. If we act on rumor and mistruths its not going to very fun for gun owners, libertarians or conservatives the next few years. Obama is going to cause us enough real stuff to get mad over. We shouldn't be letting the press scare us over nothing. By scaring us into not carrying us with rumors the liberal press gets their gun controls without Obama or Pelosi having to do a thing. we make it way to easy for them.

Putting a hold on pending rules from the previous administration is de rigueur. No surprises there.

If Bush had been pro-gun he would have changed the NP carry law his first year in office rather than his last.

bayouhazard wrote:Putting a hold on pending rules from the previous administration is de rigueur. No surprises there.

If Bush had been pro-gun he would have changed the NP carry law his first year in office rather than his last.

Something happened in September of his first year that distracted him. But It wasn't him that initiated it. Congress made moves to legislate it, the parks department decided they wanted to control the way it was headed. and perhaps let the rules change procedure kill it. While it doesn't appear that Bush did much to encourage the rules change. He could have killed it easily if he had wanted. Simply by speaking out negative against it, or have the AG or Homeland Security kill it. I don't even see this bill as 2nd Amendment issue, but rather a states right issue. The rules simply acknowledge that the Feds don't make better rules than the states.

Obama has no reason to fight this one. Unless some spectacular event happens. Its not worth the political capital. His goals aren't to make Gun owners mad at him. His goal is have fewer guns, and to demonize guns in general. This is just an obscure rule change that he won't want to bring any attention too.

I will make a prediction. He will not be at the forefront of any major gun banning effort. Why should he? Congress will be more than happy to do his dirty work. If congress passes anything he will be more than willing to sign what they give him and claim it's the peoples will. Oh he might get the BATF to tighten the rules. but he is going shy away from being held directly responsible. Just my opinion

This is what the NRA has to say about the guns in national parks rule:



Obama Administration Halts Pending Bush Regulations

Friday, January 23, 2009

NRA-ILA has received many recent inquiries regarding the new Obama administration's order to all federal agencies and departments to halt all pending regulations until incoming administration staff can review those regulations. In particular, members are concerned about the order's impact on the new rule governing the concealed carrying of firearms in national parks.

In a statement issued only hours after Obama took office, the White House said, "This afternoon, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel signed a memorandum sent to all agencies and departments to stop all pending regulations until a legal and policy review can be conducted by the Obama administration." (You can view a copy of the memo on-line at http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/ ... review.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

The tactic of halting pending orders is commonly used by incoming administrations to delay so-called "midnight regulations" enacted by the outgoing president during the time period between the election and Inauguration Day.

While it is common for an incoming administration to make such an order, it does not appear that this action would affect the new parks rule.

The orders outlined in Emanuel's memo would suspend or delay three kinds of rules:

1. Proposed and final regulations that have not yet been submitted for publication in the Federal Register;

2. Proposed and final regulations that have submitted, but have not yet been published; and,

3. Final rules that have been published, but have not yet taken effect.

The new parks rule does not fall into any of these categories. The rule was published in December 2008, and took effect on January 9, 2009. To repeal the rule, the new leadership at the Interior Dept. would have to publish a new proposed rule, take public comment on it, and eventually publish a new final rule.
That action is certainly not out of the question--in fact it would come as no surprise if the anti-gun Obama administration attempts to repeal the rule. Of course, NRA-ILA would strenuously oppose and fight against any such attempt.

We will continue to closely monitor the situation and report on any developments as they happen

Copyright 2009, National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action.
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here is the link for those interested:
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4331" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;