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I personally like the process we have to go through in Texas, that seems to "weed out" the ones who arn't really serious about guns and abiding by the law. Theres a lot of folk who I don't want carrying, permitted or not. Idiots who are permitted give the rest opf us a bad image.

hoss4570 wrote:I personally like the process we have to go through in Texas, that seems to "weed out" the ones who arn't really serious about guns and abiding by the law. Theres a lot of folk who I don't want carrying, permitted or not. Idiots who are permitted give the rest opf us a bad image.

I understand where you are coming from Hoss, unfortunately there are a lot of people, some permit holder's,some not that should not be carrying. I was in a restaurant with my wife the other night and a guy was telling the hostess that she would be safe if there were a robbery because he was licensed and was carrying, I was waiting on him to pull his gun out and show it to her.

I guess there are positives and negatives to open carry and everyone has an opinion, that is what makes it great.

DEADEYE1964 wrote:I understand where you are coming from Hoss, unfortunately there are a lot of people, some permit holder's,some not that should not be carrying.

Maybe. But it's nowhere near the percentage of people, some US citizens, some not, that should not be voting.

DEADEYE1964 wrote:

hoss4570 wrote:I personally like the process we have to go through in Texas, that seems to "weed out" the ones who arn't really serious about guns and abiding by the law. Theres a lot of folk who I don't want carrying, permitted or not. Idiots who are permitted give the rest opf us a bad image.

I understand where you are coming from Hoss, unfortunately there are a lot of people, some permit holder's,some not that should not be carrying. I was in a restaurant with my wife the other night and a guy was telling the hostess that she would be safe if there were a robbery because he was licensed and was carrying, I was waiting on him to pull his gun out and show it to her.

I guess there are positives and negatives to open carry and everyone has an opinion, that is what makes it great.

He's one of them I was talking about. What a worm................

I was at my local Verizon store several days ago and needed to grab my fone and my wallet. Had to pay for an upgrade.

Had on coat on and when I finished grabbing my wallet the old timer next to me looked like he was gonna have a heart attack. He saw my pistol and really, if it wasn't such a serious thing, I would have almost died laughing at the look on his face.

He immediatly left the store but the clerk and I just shook our heads.

The states that have open carry are doing just fine. Even NH where activists are actually exercising it.

I'm going to have to go with licensed open carry on this one. As stated before, it weeds out the people who are not serious about carrying firearms in line with the law. Keep in mind I'm not against open carry, if you want to carry, get licensed like the rest of us. I'll stay concealed.

Aggie_engr wrote:I'm going to have to go with licensed open carry on this one. As stated before, it weeds out the people who are not serious about carrying firearms in line with the law. Keep in mind I'm not against open carry, if you want to carry, get licensed like the rest of us. I'll stay concealed.

My thoughts exactly.

Quote: " My other concern is that if "open carry" is pushed through, many businesses that currently don't post (possibly because they really don't thnk about it or realize that people really do carry firearms) will start posting because of the potential for one open-carry upsetting their anti-gun costomer that otherwise wouldn't have had a clue who had a weapon. "

And The Wife accuses me of being the "King of the Run-on Sentence."

Yep, that's my numero uno concern with Open Carry. Thousands of Texas businesses that do not post now probably would.

Maybe they could post a "No OC" sign, instead of 30.06 (which wouldn't apply to OC anyway)?

As Charles has said before, there's really no way the Legislature will pass a bill that requires them to have 2 different signs, or say a third sign to cover both... they'd set up a new sign that covers all, or just change 30.06 to cover all.

How about a simple change from "Concealed Handgun License" to "Carry Handgun License" -- removing the whole "open vs. concealed" questions, along with all the gray areas associated with each.

From the Open-Carry aspect, some states will try to call it concealed carry when it's an IWB holster with no concealing garment. I've heard of states that try to call holstered carry "concealed" (Can't cite right now, but I'll try to find it and edit later).

Then there's the concealed issue -- questions about "Is printing failure to conceal" and so on. It seems to me that we run into a lot of gray area as to whether you're carrying concealed or carrying openly anyway....

From the 30.06 perspective, this change would benefit those businesses who would prefer not to have handguns on premises--no significant signage changes. I agree that we would see more businesses posting initially, but I can't help thinking that these posting businesses would eventually drop the signs once they discover we don't have blood running in the streets of the wild frontier of Texas.

I remember when CHL first came out, it seemed like every business in the D/FW area posted immediately. In fact, I didn't bother with CHL at that time because it seemed that I wouldn't be able to go anywhere with my pistol anyway. Now I hardly ever see 30.06 notices.

So let's just solve the whole danged problem. Issue a Carry license, and let the license holder decide whether he/she wants to carry concealed or open.

I know that's not a perfect solution for the Open Carry movement, but I think it's a good solution for all involved.

cbunt1 wrote:How about a simple change from "Concealed Handgun License" to "Carry Handgun License" -- removing the whole "open vs. concealed" questions, along with all the gray areas associated with each.

From the Open-Carry aspect, some states will try to call it concealed carry when it's an IWB holster with no concealing garment. I've heard of states that try to call holstered carry "concealed" (Can't cite right now, but I'll try to find it and edit later).

Then there's the concealed issue -- questions about "Is printing failure to conceal" and so on. It seems to me that we run into a lot of gray area as to whether you're carrying concealed or carrying openly anyway....

From the 30.06 perspective, this change would benefit those businesses who would prefer not to have handguns on premises--no significant signage changes. I agree that we would see more businesses posting initially, but I can't help thinking that these posting businesses would eventually drop the signs once they discover we don't have blood running in the streets of the wild frontier of Texas.

I remember when CHL first came out, it seemed like every business in the D/FW area posted immediately. In fact, I didn't bother with CHL at that time because it seemed that I wouldn't be able to go anywhere with my pistol anyway. Now I hardly ever see 30.06 notices.

So let's just solve the whole danged problem. Issue a Carry license, and let the license holder decide whether he/she wants to carry concealed or open.

I know that's not a perfect solution for the Open Carry movement, but I think it's a good solution for all involved.

This will never work - it's too simple and it makes sense. Sensible simple solutions don't make news nor do they get votes.

Oldgringo wrote:
This will never work - it's too simple and it makes sense. Sensible simple solutions don't make news nor do they get votes.

I figured that was the reason

Hadda throw it up there and see if anybody saluted it though...

So if it's licensed open carry are cops going to have to stop everyone who open carries and make them show a license?