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dac1842 wrote:The bottom line is simple, if someone is bent on killing, then they will use whatever resource is available.

This fact is readily illustrated by the experience of countries where firearms ownership is extremely limited. Murders still occur in those countries, but they are accomplished by mainly by stabbing, clubbing, strangling, and beating.

I do not understand why more intentional vehicular homicides do not occur. They actually are rather frequent in this country, aside from reckless and drunk driving. I'm talking about the Clara Harris type of incident.

It's a lot easier for the typical mass murder perpetrator to get his hands on a motor vehicle than a firearm.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:I do not understand why more intentional vehicular homicides do not occur. They actually are rather frequent in this country, aside from reckless and drunk driving. I'm talking about the Clara Harris type of incident.

A car looks easy if they want to kill random people but it looks more difficult to kill someone specific because the killer has to time it for the victim crossing the street or in some other vulnerable location. There's also risks of physical evidence in vehicular homicide unless the killer uses a stolen car or doesn't care if they're caught.

Looking at news stories, arson is another popular choice for mass murder and if you have a car you can get lots of gasoline without raising suspicion. It also looks like there would be less physical evidence if the killer wants to get away with it.

Cars also don't work well if they're planning a mass murder to help push unconstitutional legislation like EFAD.

bayouhazard wrote:A car looks easy if they want to kill random people but it looks more difficult to kill someone specific ...

Right. But the most horrific mass murders are of random people, and in those cases, the killers are suicidal. They don't care if they get caught.

- Jim

One of our assoicate pastors walked up to some of us on the safety team this past Sunday. He put his arms around us and said guys we really appreicate what you do, and are willing to do for us. The senior pastor said in a staff meeting he feels really good every Sunday when he looks out and sees so and so sitting 3 rows from the stage.
So and So spent 15 years in law enforcement, 2 years as SWAT sniper, 10 as an EMT, He is 6'5 300 lbs and comes across as the nicest guy, Then when needed,well he is all business.

I use that logic as well..."so if taking my guns away from me will prevent someone from shooting up a church somewhere, then taking your car away should also stop a drunk driver from running over and killing a pedestrian somewhere....right?".....uh, uh....

seamusTX wrote:All these killers were lunatics. There is no rational explanation for what they did. Some might have rationalized it by claiming that the world had been unfair to them, or maybe the Alabama killer's mother liked his sister better than him. However, normal people (which is 99.999% of the population) deal with these issues without violence.

The fact that several happen in a short time is just a statistical blip, like two unrelated plane crashes the same day.

It also can't be repeated often enough that every day, millions of people go to the range, go hunting. or carry a sidearm (LEOs and non-LEOs) with no one getting hurt. These lunatics are a tiny fraction of the population.

- Jim

+1

And when asked "why do you carry a gun?", my answer, ".001%"

The killing Tuesday of at least two people in a courthouse shootout in Bavaria, Germany – which comes less than a month after a teenager killed 15 people in a school shooting – is expected to fuel debate about tightening Germany’s gun laws, already among the most restrictive in the world...

Just more proof that no matter how restrictive the gun laws are, bad guys and whackos are going to procure them and do damage to innocents. They want to do here what's been done in Germany, and Germany still has mass murderers killing random victims as well as crimes of passion committed with guns like the one referenced in the article linked above.

Gun control is the removal of equality. Where are all the civil rights advocates who used to scream for equality? We can't be equal if the bad guys are armed and the law abiding citizen is disarmed.

seamusTX wrote:The moon was full yesterday, but statistical analysis has shown time and again that there is no correllation between human behavior (except maybe necking) and the full moon: http://skepdic.com/fullmoon.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

- Jim

Well, you were the one that mentioned "lunatic."