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There is a serious ammo shortage over here in SE Georgia. This last week I checked 4 local walmarts and a few gun stores daily for 9mm for my wife to shoot. The walmarts are almost completely empty of all hand gun ammo except a little .32 and .22. The reps I talked to said they get a limited amount of 9mm, .40, etc. in only ever so often and that is usually bought by one or two people who buy all they get in.

In fact, some gun shops are going to walmart every morning and buying all their hand gun ammo where they can sell it in their stores for more money. The whole thing is getting out of control over here. Hope it's better back home in TX.

{TEX}Hawaii 99 wrote:Hope it's better back home in TX.

Nope. Still can't find much of anything anywhere, unless you're really looking hard.

Best luck I've had lately is ordering from Cabela's. I caught some at Wally World early one morning on the way to the range and it was a totally unexpected but pleasant surprise. I usually try to keep 1,000 of each cal that I like to shoot on hand, and replace it after each range trip. It's just almost impossible now to run by and grab it on the way out of town or to the range anymore, so having a stock is pretty much how you have to do it. I'm working on getting into reloading now too.

TacTex

Same here on the reloading. I shoot .45 and my brother shoots .40 and because it has been getting harder to locate as well as us shooting more participating in IDPA we decided to invest in reloading gear. We did make sure we got a press that could eventually start reloading our rifle rounds as well. Now it is learning the ropes, so to speak, in that realm.

{TEX}Hawaii 99 wrote:In fact, some gun shops are going to walmart every morning and buying all their hand gun ammo where they can sell it in their stores for more money. The whole thing is getting out of control over here. Hope it's better back home in TX.

The Walmarts in my area Arlington/Grand Prairie/Mansfield seems to be getting ammo sporadically and I managed to score two boxes of 9mm on Saturday. They are limiting you to two boxes so at least more people are able to get some as opposed to one or two people buying out their stock as it becomes available.

dleewo wrote:

{TEX}Hawaii 99 wrote:In fact, some gun shops are going to walmart every morning and buying all their hand gun ammo where they can sell it in their stores for more money. The whole thing is getting out of control over here. Hope it's better back home in TX.

The Walmarts in my area Arlington/Grand Prairie/Mansfield seems to be getting ammo sporadically and I managed to score two boxes of 9mm on Saturday. They are limiting you to two boxes so at least more people are able to get some as opposed to one or two people buying out their stock as it becomes available.

It's called HORDING and it's caused by GREED and Chicken Little running around crying out that the sky is falling. The sky is not falling, don't pay those usurious prices. Everyone take a deep breathe and let the market cure itself.

Even if the sky is falling (heaven forbid), all of one's HORDED ammo won't stop it.

I have had some luck at wal-mart at 4 am the sporting goods guy lets me buy it off of the pallet but ammo shipments are getting rare

[quote="Oldgringo"

It's called HORDING and it's caused by GREED and Chicken Little running around crying out that the sky is falling. The sky is not falling, don't pay those usurious prices. Everyone take a deep breathe and let the market cure itself.

Even if the sky is falling (heaven forbid), all of one's HORDED ammo won't stop it. [/quote]
You speak of greed as though it is a bad thing, I consider it diversified investment. If I weren't so broke from my traditional 401k and Stock market holdings I would be buying EBG and ammo until I run out of room. What bothers me is that it shows that our supply lines would inadequate to meet a national disaster. while we may be fronting two wars they are not of the scale that we have known in the past. We are reliant on foreign sources a lot of the ammo we are using is of eastern European manufacture. If we can't rely on American manufactures or suppliers than its up to us ensure that we have supplies to see us through these times. While I don't honestly believe we will ever see the balloon,I think it may irresponsible not to be prepared for the day we may have to choose up sides.

Liberty wrote:

While I don't honestly believe we will ever see the balloon,I think it may irresponsible not to be prepared for the day we may have to choose up sides.

Three questions:

1. How much is enough?
2. What happens when you ask your buddy, "pass the ammunition"?
2. Whose covering our flanks?

I also have an advanced case of the RED over the quite significant losses in our retirement savings due to the GREED on Wall Street and incompetence in Washington and elsewhere. Even if that robbery hadn't occured, I have to go back to question No. 1 above. How much is enough?

glocklvr wrote:I have had some luck at wal-mart at 4 am the sporting goods guy lets me buy it off of the pallet but ammo shipments are getting rare

In my area, the Walmarts wouldn't (or maybe can't) sell ammo between 10pm and 7am.

Derek

Oldgringo wrote:

Liberty wrote:

While I don't honestly believe we will ever see the balloon,I think it may irresponsible not to be prepared for the day we may have to choose up sides.

Three questions:

1. How much is enough?
2. What happens when you ask your buddy, "pass the ammunition"?
2. Whose covering our flanks?

I also have an advanced case of the RED over the quite significant losses in our retirement savings due to the GREED on Wall Street and incompetence in Washington and elsewhere. Even if that robbery hadn't occured, I have to go back to question No. 1 above. How much is enough?

1. Depends on how much you wanna spend.. I look at it like insurance, I believe in insurance. Car insurance, house insurance, flood insurance life insurance. Its thousands of dollars. Insurance has no value after the end of the year and more needs to bought the next. Ammo and guns last longer than most people is always worth something and sometimes increases in value. Maybe the correct answer is "never enough".

2. Depends on the cause I guess. I figure, if it is a common cause, as far as battle supplies go it one for all and one for all. Its the old soldier in me I guess. If its all about survival, family comes first. If we live in peace, it can be a peace dividend, that we can cash out slowly in our old age.

3. I will cover yours if you cover mine.

Liberty wrote :

3. I will cover yours if you cover mine. *

*(clipped)

It's a deal, I'll cover your flanks until I run out of ammo...and then we're both outta luck.

Now do you begin to understand my angst?

Liberty wrote:What bothers me is that it shows that our supply lines would inadequate to meet a national disaster. while we may be fronting two wars they are not of the scale that we have known in the past. We are reliant on foreign sources a lot of the ammo we are using is of eastern European manufacture. If we can't rely on American manufactures or suppliers than its up to us ensure that we have supplies to see us through these times. While I don't honestly believe we will ever see the balloon,I think it may irresponsible not to be prepared for the day we may have to choose up sides.

I am not as worried about this aspect of it as by others. If you remember, our manufacturing processes were also not sufficient to meet the need at the beginning of WWII. Most of our major manufacturing capacity int he US is able to be used for multiple purposes. For example, Singer switched from making sewing machines to making firearms. The equipment may need to be reconfigured somewhat (varying amounts), but the capacity is there when we really need it. This is why, historically, the US loses major wars for the short term, but wins int he long run. All we need to do is hang on long enough to get up to speed on the supply side.

I am also not worried about the WWII possibility as much any more. I don't see that type of major conflict occurring in the near future. The economic wars being fought between the US, China, Russia, and Europe make the actual combat very unlikely.

There is a hidden message in this for a medium size war, as in how fast the other side would have to win if they want to, and I am sure the Pentagon realizes this and has plans for it.

srothstein wrote:

Liberty wrote:What bothers me is that it shows that our supply lines would inadequate to meet a national disaster. while we may be fronting two wars they are not of the scale that we have known in the past. We are reliant on foreign sources a lot of the ammo we are using is of eastern European manufacture. If we can't rely on American manufactures or suppliers than its up to us ensure that we have supplies to see us through these times. While I don't honestly believe we will ever see the balloon,I think it may irresponsible not to be prepared for the day we may have to choose up sides.

I am not as worried about this aspect of it as by others. If you remember, our manufacturing processes were also not sufficient to meet the need at the beginning of WWII. Most of our major manufacturing capacity int he US is able to be used for multiple purposes. For example, Singer switched from making sewing machines to making firearms. The equipment may need to be reconfigured somewhat (varying amounts), but the capacity is there when we really need it. This is why, historically, the US loses major wars for the short term, but wins int he long run. All we need to do is hang on long enough to get up to speed on the supply side.

I am also not worried about the WWII possibility as much any more. I don't see that type of major conflict occurring in the near future. The economic wars being fought between the US, China, Russia, and Europe make the actual combat very unlikely.

There is a hidden message in this for a medium size war, as in how fast the other side would have to win if they want to, and I am sure the Pentagon realizes this and has plans for it.

Is this the same America that sacrificed and won WWII ? Is this place we call America willing and able to put its money grubbin' selfish self serving interests aside and come together for the "common good"? I'm afraid not. Before the "common good" was defined to the satisfaction of TV and the liberal press, etc., the conflict would be over.

God help America, please.

srothstein wrote:

Liberty wrote:What bothers me is that it shows that our supply lines would inadequate to meet a national disaster. while we may be fronting two wars they are not of the scale that we have known in the past. We are reliant on foreign sources a lot of the ammo we are using is of eastern European manufacture. If we can't rely on American manufactures or suppliers than its up to us ensure that we have supplies to see us through these times. While I don't honestly believe we will ever see the balloon,I think it may irresponsible not to be prepared for the day we may have to choose up sides.

I am not as worried about this aspect of it as by others. If you remember, our manufacturing processes were also not sufficient to meet the need at the beginning of WWII. Most of our major manufacturing capacity int he US is able to be used for multiple purposes. For example, Singer switched from making sewing machines to making firearms. The equipment may need to be reconfigured somewhat (varying amounts), but the capacity is there when we really need it. This is why, historically, the US loses major wars for the short term, but wins int he long run. All we need to do is hang on long enough to get up to speed on the supply side.

I am also not worried about the WWII possibility as much any more. I don't see that type of major conflict occurring in the near future. The economic wars being fought between the US, China, Russia, and Europe make the actual combat very unlikely.

There is a hidden message in this for a medium size war, as in how fast the other side would have to win if they want to, and I am sure the Pentagon realizes this and has plans for it.

Steve, I think logic dictates you are right, but history doesn't follow logical paths. Who would have ever predicted that a bunch of renegade tribesman out of of Afghanstan would attack and at least momentarily cripple our nation, That we would turn in 6 months into a socialist nation. or the fall of the USSR. Its an unpredictable world to prepare for.

Disclaimer:
Actually I'm being a little hypocritical, my ammo supply is down to nothing, and I just haven't had the time or money to chase more guns down. Its just that I believe its not such a bad idea to build a cache.