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ELB wrote:...people in the law enforcement apparatus, including police, prosectors, and judges, do not deserver blanket or knee-jerk support. They are given extra powers and privileges, and I, at least, expect extra effort out of them to meet their responsibilities...

I agree 100%. Plus, I believe they do not deserve blanket or knee-jerk condemnation.
And the fact that the incident is being discussed here is evidence that this is not being hidden from the public.
There was obviously no intent to commit a crime, hence the primary element is missing.

[personal opinion and possible bias due to previous experience as a law enforcement officer]
I am trying to point out that due to my experience in law enforcement, and having been drinking buddies in the past (is it okay with everyone here that a trooper has a pint of beer once in awhile when off duty and not on-call?) with a few DPS troopers, the organization is not lax on discipline and I'm pretty sure this officer got a serious trip behind the woodshed.

I just don't see enough appreciation for these guys who are literally out there being spit on, getting slapped, shot at, cussed out, vomited on, etc. etc. etc for about 35k a year to balance out the instantaneous piling on of the public wanting a pound of flesh from them every time they make a mistake.

Those guys have internet connections, too, and they worry about whether they'll be able to tote a gun when they retire or change jobs. I would like them to know some of us are aware that their superiors ALWAYS believe them guilty until proven innocent and that there's not much necessity for the public to ALWAYS do the same.
[/personal opinion and possible bias due to previous experience as a law enforcement officer]

jbirds1210 wrote:

ELB wrote: If a civilian had left behind a handgun and his CHL, and the store had reported it to police, would he "get a piece of paper in his file?" And would it be handled out of public view? Or would it result in a police record, if only of arrest or charges dropped?

I would say that some might handle it out of the public view.

Jason

[personal opinion and possible bias due to previous experience as a law enforcement officer]
Yes, some would. And if they got caught doing it, some of their supervisors would ignore any "officer discretion" arguments and write them up for it. And folks on internet boards would call for the officer to be fired for not taking the gun nut to jail.
[/personal opinion and possible bias due to previous experience as a law enforcement officer]

tfrazier wrote:And folks on internet boards would call for the officer to be fired for not taking the gun nut to jail.

LOL, no....

Well, not THIS board. Can you guys tell I get a little riled up when it comes to officer screw-ups?

Sorry. Good thing I got out of that career field. Sooner or later you guys would have been talking here about some bone-head manouvere I made...

tfrazier wrote: Sooner or later you guys would have been talking here about some bone-head manouvere I made...

well.....now you can just look forward to mine (take it easy on me folks...please).

You may leave your hat or ticket book, but I know you, & your gun will will not be found by someone else.

jbirds1210 wrote:

tfrazier wrote: Sooner or later you guys would have been talking here about some bone-head manouvere I made...

well.....now you can just look forward to mine (take it easy on me folks...please).

I can't understand this. Left at a Dollar Store? Donut shop I could believe, but a Dollar Store??

We had a girl leave a m240B machinegun w/200 rd assault pack in the chow hall parking lot once. The base commander was kind enough to bring it to the law enforcement desk and stayed for our flight chief to light her up. Lets just say that she wont make the same mistake again.

tfrazier wrote:
I'm not exaggerating. Give the guy a break unless some other facts arise proving he's done it before or there was some intentional wrong-doing.

No. The laws apply to everyone equally.
We already know he broke a law. People getting away with breaking laws "because they are a cop" or "because they are the judge's son" make me sick to my stomach.

nitrogen wrote:

tfrazier wrote:
I'm not exaggerating. Give the guy a break unless some other facts arise proving he's done it before or there was some intentional wrong-doing.

No. The laws apply to everyone equally.
We already know he broke a law. People getting away with breaking laws "because they are a cop" or "because they are the judge's son" make me sick to my stomach.

Hey, all you LEOs out there, stop issuing warnings immediately. Nitro says nobody should get any slack. Pay no attention to common sense or human compassion. And that guy that stopped that NFL player who was trying to visit his dying mother in law...re hire him for Nitro's sake. The NFL player broke the law and didn't deserve to be cut a break, so the DPD officer was right all along.

tfrazier wrote:

nitrogen wrote:

tfrazier wrote:
I'm not exaggerating. Give the guy a break unless some other facts arise proving he's done it before or there was some intentional wrong-doing.

No. The laws apply to everyone equally.
We already know he broke a law. People getting away with breaking laws "because they are a cop" or "because they are the judge's son" make me sick to my stomach.

Hey, all you LEOs out there, stop issuing warnings immediately. Nitro says nobody should get any slack. Pay no attention to common sense or human compassion. And that guy that stopped that NFL player who was trying to visit his dying mother in law...re hire him for Nitro's sake. The NFL player broke the law and didn't deserve to be cut a break, so the DPD officer was right all along.

That's not what I said.
I said the law applies to everyone equally. I never said nobody should get any slack. I said nobody should get slack because they are an LEO or the judges son.

And what proof do you have that this guy is getting slack because he is an LEO? Sounds to me like you're saying he should not get slack specifically because he's an LEO.

Wow. Whatever happened to justice tempered with mercy?

It's not like the guy raped a nun. He made a stupid mistake, and in the end no harm came of it.

- Jim

Keith B wrote:...I can't understand this. Left at a Dollar Store? Donut shop I could believe, but a Dollar Store??

Yeah, he went in there to buy a new Glock.

seamus has had a makeover. Check out his new avatar.

Back on point. I can understand leaving one's gun or cell phone in the "dooter"; however, the badge or hat left behind is a bit perplexing. I'm sure the answer will come out in the wash...or somewhere.

I don't want to bore people, so I'm trying to have a horse's posterior of the day. There are so many to choose from.

This story does not say where the officer left his piece. It may well have been in the john. Many LEOs clip their badge to their holster when they're out of uniform.

I can't imagine where else it would have been in a dollar store.

- Jim