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dsw3131 wrote:It just passed the House and is on the way to Obama's desk! He's already stated his intention to sign it and I have little doubt he'll change his mind.

Another win for gun rights.

Quote from this story

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30843052/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges.

The House approved that provision separately on Wednesday by a 279-147 vote."

Looks like it got close to a 2-1 vote in favor of it

Also, I'm curious to see if this will put some pressure on the Corp. of Engineers to change their policies. While I like the National Park, I think Corp. of Engineers affect more people in Texas than National Parks.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Yes it is. It goes into effect on Feb. 10, 2010.

Chas.

I'm going to show my ignorance of how things work in Washington, but why so long until it takes effect?

It probably takes that long for the appropriate agencies to develop the necessary policies and procedures to implement the new law.

Gov't agencies are required to publish proposed new rules in the Federal Register for comments before enacting them.

BigBlueDodge wrote:Also, I'm curious to see if this will put some pressure on the Corp. of Engineers to change their policies. While I like the National Park, I think Corp. of Engineers affect more people in Texas than National Parks.

The smart way to do it would have been to include CoE land in the Coburn Amendment. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't have been included, but carry on land controlled by the Department of the Interior has been what has been getting press.

hirundo82 wrote:

BigBlueDodge wrote:Also, I'm curious to see if this will put some pressure on the Corp. of Engineers to change their policies. While I like the National Park, I think Corp. of Engineers affect more people in Texas than National Parks.

The smart way to do it would have been to include CoE land in the Coburn Amendment. I don't see any reason why it shouldn't have been included, but carry on land controlled by the Department of the Interior has been what has been getting press.

This paves the way. It will be difficult to defend the restriction after the National Park rules have been in effect for any length of time. I think Congress is very reluctant to step in where there is a rule making process in place. But in this case the Dept of Interior was served noticed, they balked, and the Senators showed that they meant business. Bureaucrats hate it when Congress takes control.

All those AK47s in the Parks aimed at the children. Oh my ....

BigBlueDodge wrote:I was browsing MSNBC tonight and found this article

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30832809/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems like there has been a sudden "about face" in Congress on the bill to allow concealed carry firearms in the National Parks. An amednment was stuck on the Credit Card reform to allow this and was easily passed. This could be voted in by the end of this week!! The article hits on something that I've been reading about, in that Congress right now is very "pro-gun ownership". This is why Obama is not pushing the Assault Weapons Ban because he doesn't have enough votes in Congress to push it through because of the pro-gun feeling in Congress. And now this article seems to reinforce it.

I'm not sure what happend but I got a feeling that it started with N.R.A :)

Don't bet on it. What happened was that a few Blue Dog democrats succeeded in convincing the majority leadership that they would not vote for the Credit Card bill - which the Obama administration really wants - if it did not include the parks carry amendment. Without the support of those Blue Dog democrats, the bill would have gone down to defeat, and it would have set Obama's credit card plans back quite a bit. Democratic leadership could not let that happen, and so they conceded the point.

Unfortunately, it isn't a done deal. The House still has to pass their version, and it is nowhere near certain that it will contain a parks carry amendment. If it doesn't, you can bet that the first thing cut from the Senate version in order to reconcile the two versions before sending it to Obama's desk for signature will be to remove the parks carry amendment.

It is too soon to call this any kind of a victory.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

BigBlueDodge wrote:I was browsing MSNBC tonight and found this article

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30832809/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems like there has been a sudden "about face" in Congress on the bill to allow concealed carry firearms in the National Parks. An amednment was stuck on the Credit Card reform to allow this and was easily passed. This could be voted in by the end of this week!! The article hits on something that I've been reading about, in that Congress right now is very "pro-gun ownership". This is why Obama is not pushing the Assault Weapons Ban because he doesn't have enough votes in Congress to push it through because of the pro-gun feeling in Congress. And now this article seems to reinforce it.

I'm not sure what happend but I got a feeling that it started with N.R.A :)

Don't bet on it. What happened was that a few Blue Dog democrats succeeded in convincing the majority leadership that they would not vote for the Credit Card bill - which the Obama administration really wants - if it did not include the parks carry amendment. Without the support of those Blue Dog democrats, the bill would have gone down to defeat, and it would have set Obama's credit card plans back quite a bit. Democratic leadership could not let that happen, and so they conceded the point.

Unfortunately, it isn't a done deal. The House still has to pass their version, and it is nowhere near certain that it will contain a parks carry amendment. If it doesn't, you can bet that the first thing cut from the Senate version in order to reconcile the two versions before sending it to Obama's desk for signature will be to remove the parks carry amendment.

It is too soon to call this any kind of a victory.

Wrong the bill PASSED on the House and will be signed by Zero on Friday.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsRel ... x?ID=12506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JJVP wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:

BigBlueDodge wrote:I was browsing MSNBC tonight and found this article

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30832809/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seems like there has been a sudden "about face" in Congress on the bill to allow concealed carry firearms in the National Parks. An amednment was stuck on the Credit Card reform to allow this and was easily passed. This could be voted in by the end of this week!! The article hits on something that I've been reading about, in that Congress right now is very "pro-gun ownership". This is why Obama is not pushing the Assault Weapons Ban because he doesn't have enough votes in Congress to push it through because of the pro-gun feeling in Congress. And now this article seems to reinforce it.

I'm not sure what happend but I got a feeling that it started with N.R.A :)

Don't bet on it. What happened was that a few Blue Dog democrats succeeded in convincing the majority leadership that they would not vote for the Credit Card bill - which the Obama administration really wants - if it did not include the parks carry amendment. Without the support of those Blue Dog democrats, the bill would have gone down to defeat, and it would have set Obama's credit card plans back quite a bit. Democratic leadership could not let that happen, and so they conceded the point.

Unfortunately, it isn't a done deal. The House still has to pass their version, and it is nowhere near certain that it will contain a parks carry amendment. If it doesn't, you can bet that the first thing cut from the Senate version in order to reconcile the two versions before sending it to Obama's desk for signature will be to remove the parks carry amendment.

It is too soon to call this any kind of a victory.

Wrong the bill PASSED on the House and will be signed by Zero on Friday.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsRel ... x?ID=12506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's right. The AP report says the following:
"Included in the bill is an unrelated measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., that would allow people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges. The House approved that provision separately on Wednesday by a 279-147 vote."

It's a done deal...all it needs is Obamunism's pen stroke.

barres wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Yes it is. It goes into effect on Feb. 10, 2010.

Chas.

I'm going to show my ignorance of how things work in Washington, but why so long until it takes effect?

Remember, the National Parks/gun provision was added to the credit card bill. The effective date of the bill was set to give banks time to comply with the new credit card rules. It's not the firearms provision that resulted in an extended effective date.

Chas.

Anyone remember the new rules federal regulators approved months ago during the Bush administration? http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Ba ... rules.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It sounds like the Obama credit card bill mostly copies those rules and the main purpose for passing this before Memorial Day is so Obama can pat himself on the back.

Captain Matt wrote:Anyone remember the new rules federal regulators approved months ago during the Bush administration? http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Ba ... rules.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It sounds like the Obama credit card bill mostly copies those rules and the main purpose for passing this before Memorial Day is so Obama can pat himself on the back.

This bill is more general and covers all guns not just CHLs with handguns. The new basically states that the states laws will be rule withing the parks when it comes to firearms. In Texas that means loaded guns on the gunrack on the your truck will be a go.

Obama probably doesn't care much one way or the other about the guns in the National Parks or wild life reserves. What he is in a hurry to do is to nationalize the banks before the proletariat wake up and realize what is going on. He can't veto half a bill its take the whole thing or nothing.

JJVP wrote:Wrong the bill PASSED on the House and will be signed by Zero on Friday.

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsRel ... x?ID=12506" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I stand corrected. Thank you. The last I had heard, the House hadn't voted yet. I'm glad it went through.

Parks carry

Hummm, ...Big Bend...Camping..etc....

Kinda puts a different light on Open Carry now!!!!

(Ponder,Ponder!)

Liberty wrote:

Captain Matt wrote:Anyone remember the new rules federal regulators approved months ago during the Bush administration? http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Ba ... rules.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It sounds like the Obama credit card bill mostly copies those rules and the main purpose for passing this before Memorial Day is so Obama can pat himself on the back.

This bill is more general and covers all guns not just CHLs with handguns. The new basically states that the states laws will be rule withing the parks when it comes to firearms. In Texas that means loaded guns on the gunrack on the your truck will be a go.

I was talking about the credit card rules in the moneycentral article in the url.
But I guess nothing Obama does is very original.