4413 (29ee)

[lrb111]

Will do. Still digging though, it was basically two sentences in a short FAQ.

[gigag04]

I'm thinking something:

You are req'd to present CHL when asked for DL - right...we all get that.

But is there actually a req'd to have the DL if we are not operating a automobile?

If you are asked for ID by an LEO while in the BLDG, and your DL is at the counter, it would make sense for the CHL to pass as both the ID and the CHL as it is a state issued ID - effectively "killing two birds with one stone."

I would think that a DL is necessary only during a traffic stop due to the fact that you are in fact driving a car.

I can't think of a specific reference to anything mandating carry of a DL while packing, just a CHL, and its presentation when asked for DL/ID.

Interesting question, and I'm not set it my answer but its what I think as of now.

Very open to correction on this point :)

-nick

[txinvestigator]

gig, it sounds that way, but the reality is this;

If you are carrying a Concealed Handgun and a PO or magistrate demands that you ID yourself, you must display your CHL and either a TX DL or ID card.

The law does not require you directly to carry an ID card or DL while carrying a concealed handgun, only that you exhibit it along with your CHL upon demand of beng IDed.

That has the affect of requiring you to carry either a DL or TX ID card, as you cannot display what you are not in possession of.

Don't you math students call that "if/then"?



There is no law in Texas that requires a person carry any form of ID when traveling. However, a person operating a motor vehicle is required to carry a valid DL.

In most cases, you don't even have to tell a LEO your name. Unless of course you are driving a motor vehicle. If you have been arrested you must tell a LEO your name, address and DOB or face an additional charge.

If a LEO has arrested, detained, or has good cause to believe you are a witness to a criminal offense, then you commit a crime if you give false or ficticious information.

In neither case are you required to carry or display state issued ID. Operating a motor vehicle is an exception.

If you are carrying a Concealed Handgun, you are required to have in your possession a CHL. If a PO or magistrate demands that you ID yourself, then you are required to display both the CHL and either the DL or ID. It pretty much makes a Prima Facie law that a Concealed Handgun Carrier must carry ID, whereas "Joe non-chl Citizen" does not.

However, failing to display a DL or ID card is not a criminal offense unless your CHL has once before been suspended for failing to display your ID.

Clear as mud?

[Kalrog]

I was just noew looking for a link i had. In a nutshell it says that anyone that accepts a DL or Texas Id for Id purposes must also accept a CHL for ID purposes.
IIRC, was on one of the Texas sites. It surprised me.

I believe that Rep. Hupp was going to bring that one up in the next session but that it wasn't law yet.

Not sure I would ever take advantage of it, but I don't mind having the option.

[lrb111]

I found a little of what i was looking for, but not the specific address. I feel sure it was about being sufficient as a picture ID. It already has your picture and driver's license number, or TX ID #,

Of course, I think there isn't much higher validation of "civilian in good standing"

[BadCo45ACP]

I have a couple of questions here. ....sign that referenced it being illegal to carry a handgun on the premises because of 4413 (29ee). Well, I can't seem to find the text of 4413(29ee). I have seen that 46.02 references 4413 (29ee), but that doesn't help me with the text of that statute.

Sorry to ressurect this old thread but I've had this question for some time and haven't found an answer. Other posts to this thread didn't answer as well.

It was stated in other responses to this post that 4413 is "old law". Does that mean it no longer exists? If that the case, why does current law reference it?

Thanks!

[Venus Pax]

txinvestigator,
I have a question about providing state-issued ID with CHL. If LEO requests ID, what is the penalty for only providing the CHL in this case?

I can see this being a problem if a person left his/her ID with an inept person "for security purposes", then the ID was misplaced.
In this case, would simply providing the LEO with ID or DL number be sufficient?

[BadCo45ACP]

txinvestigator,
I have a question about providing state-issued ID with CHL. If LEO requests ID, what is the penalty for only providing the CHL in this case?

I can see this being a problem if a person left his/her ID with an inept person "for security purposes", then the ID was misplaced.
In this case, would simply providing the LEO with ID or DL number be sufficient?

it probably wouldn't help because your TDL/ID # is included on you CHL anyway.

[Venus Pax]

BadCo,
Common sense says that the CHL would be sufficient identification, but laws don't always make sense.

[BadCo45ACP]

BadCo,
Common sense says that the CHL would be sufficient identification, but laws don't always make sense.

Yes I agree, all I'm saying is, verbally providing your DL/ID # shouldn't add any weight or credibility to your CHL as ID because the # is printed on the CHL.

[bburgi]

I think we're overlooking that in the scenario presented here, the person who has given over their ID is still inside the secure location when questioned by the LEO. An officer inside that area should be familiar with the security procedures, and if they are not, they could easily be informed of said procedures.

Simply tell the officer that the company's security procedures required you to hand over your DL, and if necessary have the officer accompany you to the front desk to verify the story.

I highly doubt any LEO would bust you for that -

[Rex B]

I seems obvious that there is only one solution for you: Get the state-issued alternate ID. Should be a quick stop at the local DPS office.

[austin]

Slightly OT, but when I know I have to work in datacenters, but still want to carry, I move my pistol to my laptop case in the men's room. I have gotten the pistol hung on equipment before and/or risked it falling out if I need to get into a awkward spot.

Be sure to rearm before you depart because the laptop case may be searched and you may be weighed - you must weigh about the same.