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HankB wrote:I still haven't heard whether or not the promoter had a valid lease/rental agreement and the lessor tried to unilaterally impose new conditions . . . if that's the case, it would seem the promoter would have a cause of action for contract violation. (Just speculation, IANAL, etc.)

austinrealtor wrote:

O6nop wrote:Go TSRA!

Other than the concerns expressed above, I am thankful for Ms. Alice Tripp's lengthy and detailed account found via 06nop's link. She did a wonderful job explaining TSRA's side of things

I finally had time to read it, and found it rather lacking. She did not make an effective argument at all. Since Mr. Cotton was in on the conference call, perhaps he can explain it better, but Mrs. Tripp's argument seems to be: "Boedeker didn't say that to us, so it never happened."

She simultaneously posits that Boedeker wasn't an involved party at the Thursday meeting (it was between APD and the landlord), and that he was the one who capitulated and agreed to all the restrictions. Or, at other times, she seems to argue that it was an issue between APD and the property itself, under nuisance statutes.

I don't see that she ever pointed out that a municipality is prohibited from circumventing the intent of the state preemption law: they can't use zoning or other laws to restrict ownership, possession, or sales of firearms, as APD did here (by threatening to shut down the show via nuisance laws).

Her counter to Boedeker's claim cites an APD officer who has worked door security at the Saxet shows for several years, who was only aware of one arrest, but no claims of illegal sales. I'm not sure what the point was; if her source was correct, then APD had no reason to pressure the show to restrict sales to FFLs.

I normally wouldn't comment on typos and misspellings, but since this is an official TSRA article, I do expect better: better writing, better editing, and better arguments.

I hope Mr. Cotton will weigh in. I respect his opinion a lot, and I find it hard to believe that he would stand by this article as written. (If he has other facts to add, that's a different matter.)

chabouk wrote:then APD had no reason to pressure the show to restrict sales to FFLs.

Well having the appearances of catching the gunshow promoter off guard this time...When the new venue (landlord) is established, I hope our friends in Austin continue to do what seems to be what the APD and other entities are trying to shake down...

Prove the illegalities APD, make some arrests APD, and let the courts sort it out...See what happens after that...

chabouk wrote:She simultaneously posits that Boedeker wasn't an involved party at the Thursday meeting (it was between APD and the landlord), and that he was the one who capitulated and agreed to all the restrictions. Or, at other times, she seems to argue that it was an issue between APD and the property itself, under nuisance statutes.

That appears to be an incorrect interpretation. She said that Boedecker was not the focus of the meeting. She also said that all in attendance agreed, not 'Boedecker was the one'. There are also several issues at stake, all cleverly administered by the cooperating law enforcement into exploiting the nuisance abatement rules. Ms. Tripp is arguing that they are using this rule improperly . She concluded by saying :

How many gun-related convictions came out of these "criminal investigations"? Gun crime convictions would be federal convictions. If there is no conviction, can an investigation be considered a nuisance? How is that ethical? TSRA is making a "Freedom of Information" request on the convictions.

If you read the Nuisance Abatement Manual, that I posted somewhere else in this forum, it basically has a paragraph that states that they can use this rule to pressure property owners into doing what they ask by threat of closing down their business.
What gets me is just a couple miles away from that Gun Show location, I-35 and Rundberg, is a cesspool of crime; assault, drugs, prostitution, etc., that goes on, apparently, without closing anybody down.

O6nop wrote:What gets me is just a couple miles away from that Gun Show location, I-35 and Rundberg, is a cesspool of crime; assault, drugs, prostitution, etc., that goes on, apparently, without closing anybody down.

Because in the minds of many on the far left, drugs and prostitution should be legal while firearms and really weapons of any kind should be illegal.

A quote from page 7 of the Nuisance Abatement Manual:

In many instances, actual litigation is not required. When faced with the loss of income,
bonds adding up to thousands of dollars, and the threat of forfeiture of those bonds, many owners
enter into a voluntary abatement of the nuisance.

austinrealtor wrote:

O6nop wrote:What gets me is just a couple miles away from that Gun Show location, I-35 and Rundberg, is a cesspool of crime; assault, drugs, prostitution, etc., that goes on, apparently, without closing anybody down.

Because in the minds of many on the far left, drugs and prostitution should be legal while firearms and really weapons of any kind should be illegal.

True, I know the reason, it still "gets to me"
It's very near my neighborhood and we have neighborhood watch groups meeting with the police all of the time. They do make arrests, but it keeps coming back.

Is anybody going to this gun show this weekend?

davidtx wrote:Is anybody going to this gun show this weekend?

If you go, PLEASE post a report!

I attended this show once last year (before it moved to the old SAXET show's site on Lamar) and was sorely disappointed - very small, more expensive admission, and half the tables seemed to be selling stuff like candy and ShamWow rather than firearms & accessories.

OK, I went to the show today. This is only the second gun show I've ever been to. The last one was SAXET San Antonio in December. Compared to the SAXET show, I think this had a better selection of product. There were almost no new rifles at the SAXET show. I was happy to find a dealer with reloading supplies and bought my first stock of powder, primers and bullets. I bought the rest of my reloading equipment at Cabela's later in the evening.

The show wasn't huge, but it did seem to have a decent selection. Debra Medina supporters seemed to be everywhere.

I didn't see any ShamWow, but there were a few non gun or knife related tables, e.g. jewelry, gold/silver/coins, jerkey (I had to buy some of this).

Admission was $7.