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for me, my walgreens has stamps. so do all the wal-marts ive been to.

I just tape the apportate amount of Change to the envelopes and hope for the best.

Those pesky federal agents doing random strip searches without probable cause in the post office parking lots again?

I hate when that happens.

marksiwel wrote:I just tape the apportate amount of Change to the envelopes and hope for the best.

marksiwel wrote:I just tape the apportate amount of Change to the envelopes and hope for the best.

There's that hope and change stuff again....

Bonc_CHL,

You need to tell your wife that if she wants stamps she can go get them herself. You will definitely see a change in her attitude if you stand up to her like a man land do this. You will at least be able to see how much of a change it made once the swelling in your eyes goes down and you can again open them.

As others have said, I would just try to get the stamps at another location like a quick mail place in a strip mall or grocery store.

A liberated woman would buy her own postage stamps.

Who uses the MAIL these days? Come on, what are you cavemen?

You could take "The Risk" of leaving your gun in the car and getting stamps.

has anyone been busted while NOT BREAKING THE LAW and legally carrying?

ScottDLS wrote:There are many long threads on post office carry that you may look up on this site.

I've actually spent a lot of time specifically researching this on this forum. I don't mean to hijack this thread but what I've concluded is that 39CFR232.1 which discusses Conduct on Postal Property states:

(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

and then

(p) (2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and regulations in this section while on property under the charge and control of the Postal Service is subject to fine of not more than $50 or imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws or regulations of any State and local laws and regulations applicable to any area in which the property is situated.

Abrogate being key here, if we look that up we get:

abrogate definition - legal verb
To annul, cancel, destroy, overturn, repeal, revoke, set aside, supercede, or otherwise do away with or put an end to.
To abolish a custom or law by some authoritative, formal, legislative, or other legally effective method.
Webster's New World Law Dictionary

So it seems that according to 30.06(e) which allows carry on government property that Post Offices (specifically the parking lot and public areas) would be safe to carry in. Other Federal Property CFR's do not have specific abrogation clauses, but the PO does. I had this discussion with my CHL instructor and we concluded, that We Are Neither Lawyers (WANL?)

marksiwel wrote:specifically the parking lot and public areas) would be safe to carry in.

Interesting find there Phrogg.
Still not sure I would tempt the fate of carrying inside, but I would tempt it by concealing it in my car, should the need arise.

phrogg wrote:

ScottDLS wrote:There are many long threads on post office carry that you may look up on this site.

I've actually spent a lot of time specifically researching this on this forum. I don't mean to hijack this thread but what I've concluded is that 39CFR232.1 which discusses Conduct on Postal Property states:

(l) Weapons and explosives. No person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

and then

(p) (2) Whoever shall be found guilty of violating the rules and regulations in this section while on property under the charge and control of the Postal Service is subject to fine of not more than $50 or imprisonment of not more than 30 days, or both. Nothing contained in these rules and regulations shall be construed to abrogate any other Federal laws or regulations of any State and local laws and regulations applicable to any area in which the property is situated.

Abrogate being key here, if we look that up we get:

abrogate definition - legal verb
To annul, cancel, destroy, overturn, repeal, revoke, set aside, supercede, or otherwise do away with or put an end to.
To abolish a custom or law by some authoritative, formal, legislative, or other legally effective method.
Webster's New World Law Dictionary

So it seems that according to 30.06(e) which allows carry on government property that Post Offices (specifically the parking lot and public areas) would be safe to carry in. Other Federal Property CFR's do not have specific abrogation clauses, but the PO does. I had this discussion with my CHL instructor and we concluded, that We Are Neither Lawyers (WANL?)

30.06 is state law and does not govern federal property or override their rules on it. The only way it the state law overrides is if it is state government property and then they can make their own rules. The way you get a pass on the Gun Free School Zone law with a CHL is it specifically states that if state law allows carry with a license, then you adhere to that law.

When I have seen abrogate used, the meaning as applied to this case is that the Federal law will not does not lessen or remove any other law in place that may be more strict. Bottom line, I don't believe this would give us a pass. But then again, IANAL either.

Teamless wrote:

marksiwel wrote:I just tape the apportate amount of Change to the envelopes and hope for the best.

You laugh but I was on a rural route and needed to mail a paper ASAP and did not have the stamps. I taped change to envelopes a couple of times and the mail man posted them. He then left a note saying a book of stamps was $X.XX and I left that in the mail box and went out the next day and there was a book of stamps. It was a Green Acres Mr. Haney kinda thing.

Dragonfighter wrote:You laugh but I was on a rural route

When I was a kid we did the same thing (which is why I laughed)
But I did try that about 9 or 10 years ago, with different results,
the money and envelope were gone and the letter came back with insufficient postage on it LOL

Teamless wrote:

Dragonfighter wrote:You laugh but I was on a rural route

When I was a kid we did the same thing (which is why I laughed)
But I did try that about 9 or 10 years ago, with different results,
the money and envelope were gone and the letter came back with insufficient postage on it LOL

We used to do it all the time when I was a kid, a few more years ago than 9 or 10 however! Our mailman would even cancel our stamps with just an ink pen.

I tried it a couple since living here. 1st time it worked, the 2nd, it didn't!

But seriously, I would drop off a letter in the box, but not carry inside.

My $0.02.

OK, I got really curious about this one, as I DO go to the post office several times a month to mail handguns. (Yes - with an FFL you can mail handguns)
I asked a long time acquaintance there what the intention of the law meant, and he did not know - and he works there. Several days later, he caught me in there again, and called me to his station.
He had sent the question to the postmaster general's office and got this reply.

"The carrying of a weapon, concealed or otherwise, is specifically prohibited beyond the notice posted on the property. The United States Post Office as a general rule, posts notice on the entrance of the building.
Weapons therefore, are acceptable in parking lots, driveways or drive up facilities. We would suggest that any weapon carried onto the property be properly secured in the locked vehicle."

Please note, I read this on the computer screen, and am recreating the statement as best I remember it.
One thing that I thought was curious, the answer did not state "concealed". It did state "concealed or otherwise". Maybe that was for the states that have open carry?