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is it you or the gun? 9 times out of 10 its you

But just in case, take her apart, check it out, clean it, oil it, put it together, then watch a youtube video of someone else taking it down, then compare. Did you put the Spring in backwards? no crud in the barrell?
How do you do with other guns?

Let's see, a Taurus that won't shoot straight. - No surprise there.
A 1911 that DOES shoot straight. - No surprise there either.

IDEA!

Get a 1911A1? Preferably a Colt (my favorite) or a Kimber (next favorite) or a SA (pretty but expensive for what you get)

I have 8 of the magical 1911 models of various ages and calibers, all of them shoot straight!
I also have a Taurus PT745 - it's not bad, but it took some tweaking to get the sights right.

Since I didn't get a reply I'll throw this out there.

The Heinie Straight Eight sights (two dot sights) use a hold-over aim, instead of a 6 o'clock hold. If you are aligning the sights and placing the front sight at the bottom of the bulls-eye, it will shoot low. At 7 yards you need to COMPLETELY cover the bulls-eye in order to hit it. If you use the hold over sight picture I'd be willing to bet that you shoot level with the bulls-eye, but to the left. If that is the case you simply need to move the rear sight to the right a little at a time. I believe the set screw uses a 2.5 millimeter hex wrench. You may need a hammer and brass or delrin punch to move it, but sometimes it isn't required. *edit* Now that I think about it, the new three dot sights also use a hold over sight picture.

Secondly:

To those who would blindly bash Taurus, I assert you know very little of which you speak. Show me 10 people (and not a friend of a friend's roommate, actual first hand accounts) who had to send their Taurus back for repair (lifetime warranty, btw) and I'll show you 10 people who had to send their Kimber back for repair. Then I'll show you 10 who sent back their Springfield, Smith & Wesson, Colt, or any other brand you choose. I don't care who the manufacturer is, there will ALWAYS be people whose guns need repair. In fact, I remember recently seeing a thread (maybe on another board) about a Kahr that left the factory with a slide, a frame, and no internals or grips. I guess Kimber, Springfield, S&W, Colt, and Kahr must ALSO be junk since sometimes they need to be sent in for repair.

Furthermore, some might complain about the fit and finish of Taurus. What did you expect? If you were expecting the fit and finish of custom gun, then you need a reality check. A PT111 will cost approximately $350. For $350 you get a gun that has the same potential for failure as any other mechanical device in existence (including a custom Kimber or colt!). However, if you have a problem with anything mechanical, fit, or finish you just need to call Taurus and they will arrange for FedEx to pick up the gun the next day, at no cost to you. They will repair it at no cost to you. Then ship it back at no cost to you. So for a little lost time you've purchased a mass produced gun that will receive personal attention for any problem you may have, from a factory smith, at no cost to you. They will even do a trigger job, FOR FREE, on your PT1911 if you tell them you don't like the trigger. Name one gunsmith who is giving away free shipping and free trigger jobs on 1911's.

I assert that the majority of problems Taurus guns have, off the shelf, are because the new OWNERS don't thoroughly clean the preservative out of the gun prior to the first range session. Since the guns come on a boat from Brazil, they get drenched in protective goo. Naturally, if you don't remove the goo it's going to gunk up the works and cause problems. The majority of other problems are materials defects that can occur on ANY gun. In fact, materials failures can occur on ANY mechanical device. If you don't believe me just think about Toyota for a minute. They used to have a great reputation for great cars. No so much these days...

Or if you still think all Taurus's can't shoot straight, I invite you to test the theory. I'd be happy to demonstrate that bullets fly downrange (straight downrange) with mine just as well as any other gun.

dcphoto wrote:Since I didn't get a reply I'll throw this out there.

The Heinie Straight Eight sights (two dot sights) use a hold-over aim, instead of a 6 o'clock hold. If you are aligning the sights and placing the front sight at the bottom of the bulls-eye, it will shoot low. At 7 yards you need to COMPLETELY cover the bulls-eye in order to hit it.

I'm willing to bet this is why the OP is hitting low. Left is another issue answered by others already.

I had a PT-145 that I sold because of the Heine sights (well, that and the trigger pull that I just couldn't adapt to) - I just couldn't get used to the sights, and they were the one set of sights that was different from all my other guns. If I really concentrated on the hold-over aim, I did fine, but I kept defaulting to the 6 o'clock hold. For me, the gun had to go.

dcphoto wrote:Since I didn't get a reply I'll throw this out there.

The Heinie Straight Eight sights (two dot sights) use a hold-over aim, instead of a 6 o'clock hold. If you are aligning the sights and placing the front sight at the bottom of the bulls-eye, it will shoot low. At 7 yards you need to COMPLETELY cover the bulls-eye in order to hit it. If you use the hold over sight picture I'd be willing to bet that you shoot level with the bulls-eye, but to the left. If that is the case you simply need to move the rear sight to the right a little at a time. I believe the set screw uses a 2.5 millimeter hex wrench. You may need a hammer and brass or delrin punch to move it, but sometimes it isn't required. *edit* Now that I think about it, the new three dot sights also use a hold over sight picture.

Secondly:

To those who would blindly bash Taurus, I assert you know very little of which you speak. Show me 10 people (and not a friend of a friend's roommate, actual first hand accounts) who had to send their Taurus back for repair (lifetime warranty, btw) and I'll show you 10 people who had to send their Kimber back for repair. Then I'll show you 10 who sent back their Springfield, Smith & Wesson, Colt, or any other brand you choose. I don't care who the manufacturer is, there will ALWAYS be people whose guns need repair. In fact, I remember recently seeing a thread (maybe on another board) about a Kahr that left the factory with a slide, a frame, and no internals or grips. I guess Kimber, Springfield, S&W, Colt, and Kahr must ALSO be junk since sometimes they need to be sent in for repair.

Furthermore, some might complain about the fit and finish of Taurus. What did you expect? If you were expecting the fit and finish of custom gun, then you need a reality check. A PT111 will cost approximately $350. For $350 you get a gun that has the same potential for failure as any other mechanical device in existence (including a custom Kimber or colt!). However, if you have a problem with anything mechanical, fit, or finish you just need to call Taurus and they will arrange for FedEx to pick up the gun the next day, at no cost to you. They will repair it at no cost to you. Then ship it back at no cost to you. So for a little lost time you've purchased a mass produced gun that will receive personal attention for any problem you may have, from a factory smith, at no cost to you. They will even do a trigger job, FOR FREE, on your PT1911 if you tell them you don't like the trigger. Name one gunsmith who is giving away free shipping and free trigger jobs on 1911's.

I assert that the majority of problems Taurus guns have, off the shelf, are because the new OWNERS don't thoroughly clean the preservative out of the gun prior to the first range session. Since the guns come on a boat from Brazil, they get drenched in protective goo. Naturally, if you don't remove the goo it's going to gunk up the works and cause problems. The majority of other problems are materials defects that can occur on ANY gun. In fact, materials failures can occur on ANY mechanical device. If you don't believe me just think about Toyota for a minute. They used to have a great reputation for great cars. No so much these days...

Or if you still think all Taurus's can't shoot straight, I invite you to test the theory. I'd be happy to demonstrate that bullets fly downrange (straight downrange) with mine just as well as any other gun.

You get what you pay for?

I put it to you like this, would you place your life on the line on a Tauras New from Box over that of a Glock, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Fn Herstal, or Kimber new from Box?
Are all their guns, bad? No. Heck no! Have they had some Real Stinkers and some quality control issues as a whole, heck yes!
Its like when Sig switched over to America, I wouldnt touch any of their stuff Pre-2009 just to be safe.
Tauras has a ways to go with HIGH Quality firearms, but they do get a bad rap that is undeserved.

You get what you pay for?

I put it to you like this, would you place your life on the line on a Tauras New from Box over that of a Glock, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Fn Herstal, or Kimber new from Box?
Are all their guns, bad? No. Heck no! Have they had some Real Stinkers and some quality control issues as a whole, heck yes!
Its like when Sig switched over to America, I wouldnt touch any of their stuff Pre-2009 just to be safe.
Tauras has a ways to go with HIGH Quality firearms, but they do get a bad rap that is undeserved.

To be fair, would you bet your life on any untested gun? I wouldn't bet my life on a new glock, sig, s&w, fn, or kimber, etc. any more than I would the Taurus. Has nothing to do with manufacturer. They all let lemons fly.

I currently have 3 Taurus's, and they all function 100% so far. The only exception is that my PT1911 doesn't like chip mccormick magazines, but that can hardly be blamed on Taurus. I also sent it back for a trigger job. Not because it needed it, just because I could and it was free.

dcphoto wrote:

You get what you pay for?

I put it to you like this, would you place your life on the line on a Tauras New from Box over that of a Glock, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Fn Herstal, or Kimber new from Box?
Are all their guns, bad? No. Heck no! Have they had some Real Stinkers and some quality control issues as a whole, heck yes!
Its like when Sig switched over to America, I wouldnt touch any of their stuff Pre-2009 just to be safe.
Tauras has a ways to go with HIGH Quality firearms, but they do get a bad rap that is undeserved.

To be fair, would you bet your life on any untested gun? I wouldn't bet my life on a new glock, sig, s&w, fn, or kimber, etc. any more than I would the Taurus. Has nothing to do with manufacturer. They all let lemons fly.

I currently have 3 Taurus's, and they all function 100% so far. The only exception is that my PT1911 doesn't like chip mccormick magazines, but that can hardly be blamed on Taurus. I also sent it back for a trigger job. Not because it needed it, just because I could and it was free.

I think the problem here is we have no hard numbers. Yes even Kimber throws out a lemon, but compared to what?
Say for example 1 in every 10,000 Kimber will not Fire a Full Magazine New from Box without Malfunction/safely
Now if Tauras could say 1 in every 10,001 of their guns will do that, than I would be impressed. But I bet the REAL numbers look like
Kimber 1 out of every 10,000
Smith and Wesson 1 out of every 900
Glock 1 out of every 800
Sig 1 out of every 800
Tauras 1 out of every 400
Or I could be WAAAAAAAAAY off. I bet Tauras sells more guns than Kimber does, because they are so Cheap, so there are more in circulation, and yeah they get shipped half way round the world.
If I got a bad Kimber I would be too embarrassed to say anything online, but if I got a bad Kahr or Tauras I would complain and shrug it off to a "Cheap gun"

I have a Taurus PT111, a S&W Sigma and my wife has a Glock 19.
Both the Taurus and the S&W shot great out of the box, and have had absolutely no issues.

The Glock, out of the first 2 full run through's of both magazines she had 15 or more jams.
The empty casing would eject and the new round would come 1/2 way up into the pipe, but too slow for the slide and would jam.

Now that issue cleared, i guess due to a bit of use, and magazines have since ran through a few hundred rounds without fail.
However, for me, this shows that even a "good, high priced weapon" can fail.
This is one of the reasons I did not buy the Glock 26, but the Taurus PT111. I figured price was not everything, and the more you pay, is not necessarily the more you get.

CompVest wrote:The best 2 things you can do are:

1. Have another good shooter or two shoot your gun. This will help to eliminate the gun as the problem.

2. Have a knowledgeable shooter watch to see if you are doing any number of things that will cause your issue.

It is really not possible to armchair quarterback what you or your gun are doing. Educated guesses can be made based on where your shots are hitting your target but that is all they will be. You need someone to watch you shoot in order to to "fix" any shooter issues you might have.

E150GT,
Is it the arrow or the Indian?
This lady has given you the best advice in this thread.

wow thats a lot of replies! I appreciate all the input. I will put some of these to use and let yall know. Thanks!

austinrealtor wrote:That's a good trick. Just tried it with my wedding ring.

My wife hates when I spin my wedding ring, I can't imagine her reaction if I used it as a shooting aid!

marksiwel wrote:I put it to you like this, would you place your life on the line on a Tauras New from Box over that of a Glock, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Fn Herstal, or Kimber new from Box?

Can I jump in? Because I did just that, sort of. When I was transferred from the HR side to the Enforcement side at TABC and allowed to carry a full size pistol, the gun I bought was a Taurus PT1911. And I used it for duty carry. One of the things i liked at TABC was the authoirty to carry almost any pistol we wanted. I could have bought the new Kimber or Sig if I had wanted, or even carried the Glock 22C that I already owned. My choice was the Taurus, as the best combination of features for the money. A 1911 was my first choice, of course, and when i shopped and compared the differences between Colt, Kimber, Springfield, and Taurus, the Taurus one.

All of my guns were shooting low left too. I corrected the problem by slowing down and trying to not anticipate the recoil.

After one session of doing that the guns started hitting dead center. :)

Also practice, practise and practise. I find that the more I shoot the less likely I am to anticipate the recoil. Or as someone once said..."The more I practice, the luckier I get"

Guess I need more practice... That's 100 rounds at 7 yds. I did empty the last 12 round mag Tupac style while screaming "Thug Life!" because the range master called time to go home. Won't do that again. Wastes my ammo!