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I had an old 870 Wingmaster that I removed the stock, put on a pistol grip, added a sidekick, extended magazine, and cut the barrel flush to the magazine. Added a sling and a flashlight and now I refer to it as my zombie killer. I'll take a pic tonight and post it, but it stays close to me when I sleep. Oh, I sold the original stock on eBay and got enough to pay for everything but the flashlight.

Be careful if you put a Pachmeyr pistol grip on a 870. I had to whittle part of mine to be able to operate the safety. I agree the pistol grip ain't the greatest thing. I had it on mine at the time because it's the gun I carried in my truck before it was legal to carry a handgun in the vehicle. It happened to fit perfectly in the little tray behind the seat of the 88 Chevy single cab truck. It has the full length stock back on it now and just sits in the safe.

My bodyguard when I made a business trip to Colombia. Shots had been fired outside the office and I snapped him as he was about to go investigate. He has a pistol grip shotgun. He carried it in a sports bag. He also has a pistol on his hip that you cannot see. I don't think it adds much to the debate as to whether a pistol grip is a good idea but I thought you might find it interesting. It shows at least that a pistol grip is not disdained by professionals but his choice may have been dictated by the need to carry it in a sports bag. BTW all my guards were beautifully dressed while I was normally in jeans and teeshirt. At one bar, I was toid I could not go in because I had no tie but my guard could. My guard talked them into letting me in even though I was such a scruff.

Did you go off the clock when you got him home?

woooow didnt know it was going here lol. made me laugh all the way from afghanistan

gigag04 wrote:Also not sure why anyone would want a pump shotgun these days for home defense. They average person is NOT going to train regularly with it in high stress situations...which may very well lead to bang...click...click...click.

This is something that's very foreign to me. I grew up using pump-action shotguns,and my dad's old 870 is smooth as butter from all the use it's had over the years. It's a natural reflex to pump the action immediately after a shot is fired, and I do it almost involuntarily after the trigger is pulled ...Bang,click-clack. Bang,click-clack.
JL

AndyC wrote:As an aside, I had the reverse happen - I did a short protection-job for a gay client in Cape Town about 10 years back or so. It was a covert gig and I had to dress like him in order to blend in - as his new toyboy. Yah.

Let's just say that wearing pink no longer holds any terrors for me in the slightest...

Did you carry one of these?

AndyC wrote: Ok, pistol-grip shotgun - much better concealment (eg the bodyguard above with his sports-bag) than a fixed stock but the downside is the lack of accuracy if held in unpractised hands. I reckon it's a trade-off that will work for some but not others - the ones who would get the most benefit would be those who practise with it enough to develop some fair amount of expertise.

Thanks for that. I inherited a pistol grip Mossberg from my FIL. I've shot it a few times and I don't have any problem with recoil, but I need to check accuracy. I carried it in the truck and it seems like a pistol grip shotgun would make a good car/truck weapon.

AndyC wrote:Ok, pistol-grip shotgun - much better concealment (eg the bodyguard above with his sports-bag) than a fixed stock but the downside is the lack of accuracy if held in unpractised hands. I reckon it's a trade-off that will work for some but not others - the ones who would get the most benefit would be those who practise with it enough to develop some fair amount of expertise.

I asked that bodyguard what he likes to do in his spare time. He said he likes to shoot his guns! Supports your point about practice, AndyC.