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74novaman wrote:Says something about the disadvantage of off body carry. If someone came up and demanded your bag or purse, would you be able to draw or he is going to get your wallet and your gun?
"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I shot the deceased to protect my keys, and pictures of my kids!" Yep, that'll go over well.rm9792 wrote:That "minor property" has your address, maybe keys, kids pics and maybe school info, credit cards that can be ran up to tens of thousands of dollars, etc. Not IMO a minor crime.
wheelgun1958 wrote:PC §9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after com-
mitting burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the night-
time from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by
any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover
the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial
risk of death or serious bodily injury.
What are the chances of getting the contents of her purse back?
That only relates to theft of property requiring it to be at night. In this case it was aggravated robbery so it didn't have the night-time restriction (burglary or robbery also apply).davidtx wrote:wheelgun1958 wrote:PC §9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after com-
mitting burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the night-
time from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by
any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover
the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial
risk of death or serious bodily injury.
What are the chances of getting the contents of her purse back?
I'll never figure out how to parse legalese. I expected that the "during the night" applied to the entire list. I guess that's why I use bulleted or numbered lists when I'm writing technical documents.Keith B wrote:That only relates to theft of property requiring it to be at night. In this case it was aggravated robbery so it didn't have the night-time restriction (burglary or robbery also apply).davidtx wrote:wheelgun1958 wrote:PC §9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after com-
mitting burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the night-
time from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by
any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover
the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial
risk of death or serious bodily injury.
What are the chances of getting the contents of her purse back?
I think the wording would be something like above if it applied to the whole portion for night-time. I may be wrong on this phrasing. Guess that's why dem thar lawuers goes ta schoolin' fer a long tyme. Or maybe it's to take accounting courses to figure out how to stretch their billable hours.davidtx wrote:PC §9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing during the night-
time, immediately after com-
mitting burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft from escaping with the property[/color]; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by
any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover
the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial
risk of death or serious bodily injury.
I'll never figure out how to parse legalese. I expected that the "during the night" applied to the entire list. I guess that's why I use bulleted or numbered lists when I'm writing technical documents.
(Charles not included 
)74novaman wrote:Says something about the disadvantage of off body carry. If someone came up and demanded your bag or purse, would you be able to draw or he is going to get your wallet and your gun?
This is EXACTLY why I don't purse carry. My firearm is always on my person in one way, shape or form. There are way too many other options out there for ladies besides purse carry.Way to take out of context. Let me know how you feel after your wife and kids are assaulted or killed when a "minor purse snatcher" comes to your house WITH your KEYS. You missed my point entirely. It is more than just stamped metal and pictures. They are ways into your life. Perv grabs the purse fromt he trash and has pics of your pretty daughter and your address. Still feel like its not worth shooting over? This isnt gentle or nice to hear but it does happen, not uncommon at all. I agree the CC has limits but most check cards dont and the id theft that might happen could take years and a small fortune to clear up. This isnt 1950, minor crimes then are major crimes now. Why do we not just let them steal our stuff from the house without stopping them? Because they will likely come back for the new stuff and criminals tend to escalate.sjfcontrol wrote:"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, I shot the deceased to protect my keys, and pictures of my kids!" Yep, that'll go over well.rm9792 wrote:That "minor property" has your address, maybe keys, kids pics and maybe school info, credit cards that can be ran up to tens of thousands of dollars, etc. Not IMO a minor crime.
The credit cards are a maximum of $50 liability each, and usually that's waived (especially if notification is given in a reasonable time).
Look, I'm just saying you really want to weigh your options before "wasting" somebody over the contents of a purse.