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Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:58 am
by LucasMcCain
I discovered this basic idea when shooting skeet early on. I found that if I shouldered my shotgun and said "pull," I was far less accurate than if I said "pull," shouldered and fired. I thought to try it that way because that's how I was taught to shoot a long bow. You can't draw and hold a bow for very long and expect any kind of accuracy. (Obviously this is less true of compound bows, but you get the idea.) I haven't really tried this technique with handguns because they're not as heavy, so fatigue is less of an issue. I will most definitely do so next time I go out to the range. Thanks for the tip.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:21 am
by Deitz83
My friend introduced me too a similar drill last week. My hits on target were like night and day. I will blend the two going forward.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:27 am
by FCH
I tried this at the range yesterday and my performance definitely went DOWN. I would like to find some drills that would improve my performance. At this point, the best thing I have found is to work on fire a live round followed by a snapcap. This forces me to be aware of my anticipation of the recoil.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:45 am
by Soccerdad1995
This is similar to a golf tip that my golf pro brother taught me. At the time, I was golfing with clients on a semi-regular basis and like a lot of golfers, I was taking a lot of time on practice swings. This definitely risks irritating any serious golfer clients. He told me to just walk up to the ball, focus on the smallest target I can find, then look down at the ball and swing.

As with most changes, things were worse initially, but gradually got a lot better. I think I will give this 0ne two trick a try and see how it does over the next 10 range sessions.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:01 pm
by Jusme
Soccerdad1995 wrote:This is similar to a golf tip that my golf pro brother taught me. At the time, I was golfing with clients on a semi-regular basis and like a lot of golfers, I was taking a lot of time on practice swings. This definitely risks irritating any serious golfer clients. He told me to just walk up to the ball, focus on the smallest target I can find, then look down at the ball and swing.

As with most changes, things were worse initially, but gradually got a lot better. I think I will give this 0ne two trick a try and see how it does over the next 10 range sessions.

I can see several ways this may help improve return on target and eliminate anticipating recoil. This is a similar technique employed during my LEO firearms training, rather than One, Two, we would yell get down, or get back. This forces your diaphragm to expel air and relaxes the shooters core, which translates to less shaking of the arms/hands. It also keep you from holding your breath, which will lead to shaking if held too long, and is a major factor in stressful situations. It also forces you to fully control the trigger throughout because you are beginning the squeeze just before coming on target, removing the anticipation factor. I need to get back to this technique, I had forgotten that portion of my training, and got back into bad habits trying to stay on target too long.

:thumbs2:

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:32 pm
by Soccerdad1995
Jusme wrote:
Soccerdad1995 wrote:This is similar to a golf tip that my golf pro brother taught me. At the time, I was golfing with clients on a semi-regular basis and like a lot of golfers, I was taking a lot of time on practice swings. This definitely risks irritating any serious golfer clients. He told me to just walk up to the ball, focus on the smallest target I can find, then look down at the ball and swing.

As with most changes, things were worse initially, but gradually got a lot better. I think I will give this 0ne two trick a try and see how it does over the next 10 range sessions.

I can see several ways this may help improve return on target and eliminate anticipating recoil. This is a similar technique employed during my LEO firearms training, rather than One, Two, we would yell get down, or get back. This forces your diaphragm to expel air and relaxes the shooters core, which translates to less shaking of the arms/hands. It also keep you from holding your breath, which will lead to shaking if held too long, and is a major factor in stressful situations. It also forces you to fully control the trigger throughout because you are beginning the squeeze just before coming on target, removing the anticipation factor. I need to get back to this technique, I had forgotten that portion of my training, and got back into bad habits trying to stay on target too long.

:thumbs2:
To borrow a military adage, I think the key is to train like you fight. If I ever am forced to use my weapon in a real life situation, I want to be able to revert to a simple, repeatable process.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 8:31 pm
by Lynyrd
FastCarry wrote:I use the One Nine One One trick. In my early days, my groups would struggle, anticipation, losing my grip, never finding a stance that felt normal. I just thought shooting was that hard.

I recently started the One Nine One One routine. My groups have improved greatly, also the fun of shooting has returned which I'm thrilled about. I find follow up shots much easier, I've been able to keyhole double taps on multiple occasions with 9mm and .45acp.

If you want to try the One Nine One One routine, I'll lay out the steps below:

1. Buy a 1911
2. Go shoot it

Edit: if you read my recent posts, you'll know this method has plenty of down sides and can get frustratingly expensive and time consuming

:lol: "rlol"

I'm experiencing that right now!

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 6:39 pm
by xiuximu
Be sure to remove the trigger slacks before calling the numbers!!! :lol:

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:25 pm
by xiuximu
I have modified this one-two shooting tip a little bit. I first remove all the trigger slacks and then move the sights up.
I will start pulling the trigger when I call "1" and complete the triggering process when I call "2". Actually "1" will be
followed immediately by "2" so it sounds like just to call "12". I use the above tip for all my dry firings and shootings.
The result will be much more faster and smaller group.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:57 am
by FastCarry
xiuximu wrote:I have modified this one-two shooting tip a little bit. I first remove all the trigger slacks and then move the sights up.
I will start pulling the trigger when I call "1" and complete the triggering process when I call "2". Actually "1" will be
followed immediately by "2" so it sounds like just to call "12". I use the above tip for all my dry firings and shootings.
The result will be much more faster and smaller group.

So you are pulling on the trigger before your sights are on target?

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:58 am
by xiuximu
I start pulling the trigger back from the slack-free point at the 'same' time I called '12'. This tip works fine with me. I shoot
much better comparing with other tips.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:00 pm
by treadlightly
A cadence is a good training tool. I'm not sure the one-two approach is the only way. I try to predict how long I'll need to make a shot and then shoot on that cadence. I can't worry about recoil or noise, because the gun is going to go off on schedule.

Some of those tips on that page are counter to what I think I've learned. Point shooting with a pocket pistol - I dunno. I think maybe I would look for a different pistol and leave the point shooting to Hollywood. It doesn't work for me.

Re: ONE-TWO shooting tip

Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:17 pm
by xiuximu
I tried again in the gun range today with my modified '12' shooting method. The result were excellent. I first pull the trigger up to a point just before it breaks and then I call '12' in the mean time complete the firing. You can use any number instead of '12' but to me it will be much faster and easier on range if you use '12'. So from now on I will stick to this method for all my shootings. It works good for me! Thanks for sharing with me.