New Glock .40 S&W owner

[mbw]

Sellier & Bellot. European company, maybe Belgium?

Cheaper Than Dirt sells a lot of it. Very good quality ammo.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Purplehood]

Alright, this is going to once again reveal my ignorance.

I have a Glock 22 and 27 that fires .40 S&W.

I googled the 22, 23 and 27 and noted that only the 23 mentions S&W.

What is up with that?

The 23 was the first Glock chambered for the 40 S&W I think. That is probably why.

I must not understand firearms definitions. I bought my Glocks with the understanding that I only put .40 S&W ammo in them. What detail am I overlooking here?

I am not trying to be snide. I really don't understand what I am missing on this...

[mbw]

Alright, this is going to once again reveal my ignorance.

I have a Glock 22 and 27 that fires .40 S&W.

I googled the 22, 23 and 27 and noted that only the 23 mentions S&W.

What is up with that?

The 23 was the first Glock chambered for the 40 S&W I think. That is probably why.

I must not understand firearms definitions. I bought my Glocks with the understanding that I only put .40 S&W ammo in them. What detail am I overlooking here?

I am not trying to be snide. I really don't understand what I am missing on this...

I don't know if you are missing anything. I do know that Glock and S&W do not get along at all. Remember Glock sued S&W over the Sigma. Maybe they don't want to use the S&W logo on any of their pistols. My 23 says 40 on the slide, not 40 S&W.

[CC Italian]

I think the KB thing is such a joke!! It is just another over hyped internet rumor. I have shot thousands of rounds through my Glock 27. I have shot everything from cheap target ammo like Magtech too hot stuff like Double Tap, Buffalo Bore and Corbon. I have never had a round jam in any Glock I own, only bad primers in Fiocchi and Corbon ammo. The KB are most likely from reloaded ammo that is way over pressure or new ammo that is hand loaded with the wrong powders. People who try and over do the .40 S&W should just by a 10mm Glock 20 like I did. Not only is the case bigger but the pressure is not that much higher. Also, the case is thicker brass then .40S&W. That’s why I love the 10mm;you can just load it like .40 S&W or you can get the hot stuff that will make you smile like a little kid in a candy store.

Either way you should have years of boringly reliable performance.
Congrats!!!!

[OldCannon]

People who try and over do the .40 S&W should just by a 10mm Glock 20 like I did. Not only is the case bigger but the pressure is not that much higher. Also, the case is thicker brass then .40S&W. That’s why I love the 10mm;you can just load it like .40 S&W or you can get the hot stuff that will make you smile like a little kid in a candy store.

Either way you should have years of boringly reliable performance.
Congrats!!!!

The frame size of a 10mm Glock is larger than the .40 Glock family -- you're holding a frame that's made for .45/10mm vs .40/9mm/.357SIG/45GAP. If you have large hands, you will likely love the 10mm, if you want a smaller framed Glock (or a Gen4 model for now), you have to take the non-He-Man calibers.

Frankly, .40S&W will do an excellent job against any bad guys you encounter, even if they're wearing 3 hoodies and a parka.

P.S. - Read the history of the .40S&W and how it morphed from the 10mm here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S%26W" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. S&W might have "invented" it, but Glock was first out the door with it.

BTW - .40S&W has a bad reputation for shooting reloads in Glocks, this is borne by two things:
1) The not-really-true .40S&W "case bulge" because of a looser pressure chamber in the Glock. The truth is that all semi autos will give case bulge due to varying designs in the breech to permit extraction. Thousands of people reload .40S&W with no problems (including me).
2) People doing exactly what they should never do -- running hot loads that exceed pressure chamber limits or powder manufacturer guidance.

Personally, I _love_ the .40S&W because I have such a large variety of bullet forms to use and different powder loadings. For a pistol cartridge, I wouldn't have anything else. I'm not bashing other calibers (I shoot .45ACP, .45 Colt, .357SIG, .38SPL, and 9mm as well)

[ScottDLS]

Sellier & Bellot. European company, maybe Belgium?

Cheaper Than Dirt sells a lot of it. Very good quality ammo.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Czech company (founded by 2 Frenchmen) - I like their ammo too.

Oh yes...I got some (drum roll....) cal .380 (aka 9mm kurz) from them. Hard to find these days. Also found some from Privi Partizan.

[CC Italian]

My father owns a Glock 22 and it is noticeably thinner and lighter then my Glock 20. It is actually easier to shoot weak 10mm loads in my 20 then .40 S&W in my fathers 22 because the extra weight in the 10mm helps with recoil. Your right IKD about the non SF models, you need bear paws to hold that thing with any comfort. I always hated the Glock 20 and 21 until they came out with the SF model. It made all the difference and I can finally grip the gun with a medium sized hand. The Glock 20 is the toughest model in the sense that the slide and barrel are much meatier then the smaller calibers. In fact when I first looked at the 21 and 20 I realized that the 21 is just a bored out Glock 20. The barrel is thicker. I put the 2 side by side and sure enough the casting they use must be the same. I believe the same is true with say the Glock 26 and 27 but don't quote me. Also when I called Glock to inquire about the gun before I bought it they said the 10mm was the foundation for these 2 models and was built specifically to handle the 10mm increased pressure.

[mgood]

Alright, this is going to once again reveal my ignorance.

I have a Glock 22 and 27 that fires .40 S&W.

I googled the 22, 23 and 27 and noted that only the 23 mentions S&W.

What is up with that?

The 23 was the first Glock chambered for the 40 S&W I think. That is probably why.

I must not understand firearms definitions. I bought my Glocks with the understanding that I only put .40 S&W ammo in them. What detail am I overlooking here?

I am not trying to be snide. I really don't understand what I am missing on this...

Whoever develops the cartridge gets to name it.
.40 S&W was invented by Smith & Wesson (maybe them and an ammo company, I don't remember the detailed history).
Just like .223 Remington is sometimes refered to as .223 Rem, and sometimes as just .223. Or .308 Winchester. If someone just says .308, you know they mean .308 Win. .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) . . . etc.
Get into 9mm, and there can be some confusion because there are lots of different nines. But usually, if someone just says 9mm, you can safely ass-u-me they mean the 9mm Parabellum/9mm Luger/9x19 and not something else, like the 9mm Makarov (9x18) or 9mm Browning, aka .380 Auto (9x17).

Anyway, if you see a caliber developed by one firearms company, chambered in a gun made by the same firearms company, you can bet they'll put their name on the caliber. A Smith & Wesson in .38 Special might be listed as a .38 S&W Special. But a .38 Special from some other maker probably won't say S&W anywhere. They figure you know what a .38 Special is, and don't feel like advertising for Smith & Wesson.

[baraco01]

I'm learning a lot on .40's here...
Too bad, I didn't get the chance to go to the range today. Might just go to the desert tomorrow morning w/ my daughter - our only indoor range here in El Paso is open to LEO and chl from 5pm to 10pm on weekdays. I'm getting excited about shooting this baby. I wonder how many rounds will it take before it develops the pig nose syndrome My gen4 g19 started having the pig nose after around 800 rounds.

[gigag04]

KBs in a Glock 23 are kind of like the tooth fairy...I've heard all about them, just never seen one.

To the OP - if you are new to the G23, shoot the cheapest ammo you can find at walmart and you'll be fine. All this stuff you're reading about aftermarket barrels...I don't buy it.

It's the same people that will tell you that a Kimber is utter garbage until you drop a grand to swap out every MIM part on the gun.

[OldCannon]

All this stuff you're reading about aftermarket barrels...I don't buy it.

It's the same people that will tell you that a Kimber is utter garbage until you drop a grand to swap out every MIM part on the gun.

Well said, sir. I tried saying the same thing, but I'm old and I like showing off how much useless trivia I know

[longtooth]

Sellier & Bellot. European company, maybe Belgium?

Cheaper Than Dirt sells a lot of it. Very good quality ammo.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I find it to be very good brass too.

[stash]

I wonder how many rounds will it take before it develops the pig nose syndrome My gen4 g19 started having the pig nose after around 800 rounds.

The way I understand it, shooting will not cause Glock to develop pig nose. It is either made that way or it is not. Some of mine have it, some don't. You would think Glock could make them all with out the dreaded pig nose.

[Dragonfighter]

When I was deciding what one gun to carry, I was reading a lot of ballistic reports and tables. I love .45 ACP but the 1911 I own is not suitable for carry. I was reading how the energy delivered mid-range was comparable to a 175gr .45...nothing delivered what a 250gr does.

While I was looking at all this the first CHL shooting happened in Dallas at Mockingbird and Central. A 175# victim was being pummeled by a 400# Samoan BG and shot him once center mass with a .40 S&W and the big guy dropped like a sack of taters. That cinched it for me. The 23 offered decent capacity, reasonable accuracy, came in a good size and is freakishly reliable. I have literally fired thousands of Winchester white box, reloads (FMJ) and carry Speer defensive. I have never had a FTF, FTE or FTH (failure to hit) LOL.

The only mod I have made is a stainless steel guide rod as I was reading about the nylon factory rods could start to fail after a dozen years and a few thousand rounds.