Check my reasoning, please. Carry or not?

[baldeagle]

On occasion, I have done illegal things.

One of those is, if there is a legal 'don't do it' signage on a door, I am not going to go back and put pistola in the trunk.

Motels and enterainment places are, I think, more secure internally these days. Parking lots aren't.

salty

The problem with that line of thinking is that it is a third degree felony to carry into a university premises. That exposes you to a minimum state prison term of two years (and up to ten years) as well as a possible fine of up to $10,000. No one should take that kind of risk without being fully aware of (and willing to suffer) the consequences, if they are caught.

[hirundo82]

On occasion, I have done illegal things.

One of those is, if there is a legal 'don't do it' signage on a door, I am not going to go back and put pistola in the trunk.

Motels and enterainment places are, I think, more secure internally these days. Parking lots aren't.

salty

The problem with that line of thinking is that it is a third degree felony to carry into a university premises. That exposes you to a minimum state prison term of two years (and up to ten years) as well as a possible fine of up to $10,000. No one should take that kind of risk without being fully aware of (and willing to suffer) the consequences, if they are caught.

Not to mention lifetime loss of your firearm rights. I may or may not have carried past a 30.06 sign in the past, but I don't mess with schools for this reason.

[saltydog452]

I was sorta thinking about Motels and such, not schools. What remains of my logic tells me that its a Motel, not a PTA meeting. My bad.

Thanks,

salty

[RiverCity.45]

I think I have the final bit of information that settles the issue.

I contacted the hotel and asked the question, "Who owns the property?" Their answer: "The state." The employee added that their paychecks come from the State of Texas.

So, don't carry into the Hilton Hotel and U of Houston.

[Fangs]

Huh? I thought state-owned places can't even post legally enforceable 30.06 signs?

[srothstein]

Huh? I thought state-owned places can't even post legally enforceable 30.06 signs?

State owned buildings in general cannot enforce 30.06. But state owned property on a school campus (this is Univ. of Houston they were questioning, that is also used for teaching students (it is used for practical work experience for restaurant/hotel management students) makes it pretty conclusive that this is part of a school premises, IMO. And I am guessing that was also RiverCity's conclusion.

[Dragonfighter]

Owned by Hilton. Also, they take payment and rent you a room, making that a premise of residence.

[RiverCity.45]

It was clear to me that the building is actually owned by the Univ of Houston system (the state). Hilton lends it's name and expertise. The fact that this is a university owned building trumps the fact that it is a hotel, in my view

Anyone here willing to risk a 3rd degree felony and permanent loss of right to own a firearm to test this? Not me.

[baldeagle]

Huh? I thought state-owned places can't even post legally enforceable 30.06 signs?

They can't. But educational institutions owned by the state fit into a special category specifically addressed in the law - you can't carry on the premises without explicit authorization.

[baldeagle]

Owned by Hilton. Also, they take payment and rent you a room, making that a premise of residence.

You're wrong. RiverCity.45 asked them that question, and they stated that they are owned and paid by the state.

Since the name of the school is the Conrad N. Hilton College of Hotel and Restaurant Management, it's apparent that the Hilton's gave a lot of money to U of H in exchange for being allowed to build a hotel on the property and have the college named after them. That's a typical arrangement that very wealthy people make with universities across the US. But the Hilton's gave the money to the state, which means the state owns the property, the premises, the College and all the equipment, and all of the employees are state employees, not Hilton employees.

It's quite clear to me now that carrying there is illegal.

[srothstein]

If it helps anyone figure this out, here is the link to the Hilton page for this hotel:
http://www1.hilton.com/en_US/hi/hotel/H ... s/index.do" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Note under the amenities that staying at this hotel means you get access to the University wellness/fitness center. Also note that they say it is a teaching institution on the campus.

Conclusive proof is the Harris county appraisal district records for the address, which says the owner is the University of Houston c/o the President of Financial Affairs: http://www.hcad.org/records/details.asp ... bld=1&tab=" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

EDIT: The comment about the rented room becoming a residence for the duration of the stay does make for an interesting question on legality. The same question would go for the houses provided on campus for the various deans/Chancellor/Provost/etc. employed by the school. I honestly cannot answer which takes precedence in those questions. Getting the firearm to your room from the car would be illegal, but you might be able to win if the court agreed on the residence taking precedent over the school ownership.