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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:02 am
by txinvestigator
This is not a scam, they have been sold snce the '80s. I wore body armor, but I would also have carried one of those.
To receive NIJ rating the National Institute of Justice tests them. They are a viable means of defense.
FIRST IMPRESSION
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 10:06 am
by shootthesheet
The first thing I thought of was some guy in a bank trying to move that little thing around to stop the bullets. I guess if it is up successful close it would give an advantage in limited situations where other armor is worn too. Anything that will give the good guys a second or two to react is a good idea.
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:29 pm
by KBCraig
kw5kw wrote:I like it being used as in above picture; for a LEO.
I don't like it as a shield for me in the car.
It's shown being used as intended. It's not intended to be "tote-around hand-held body armor".
Kevin
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:33 pm
by KBCraig
dihappy wrote:I'd have to see some actual use statistics, but i think its just a scam.
Im sure the material is bulletproof, but look at the mechanics behind it.
That clipboard in the pic is being held and can pivot from left to right.
A 357 or 45 hitting that thing anywhere but the center will spin that clipboard faster than you can find out where the bullet actually hit you.
It might pivot, but the bullet will not continue on a straight path if it does.
This is not a magic shield. It's intended to slow down/deflect a bullet, while simultaneously blocking the shooter's view. It's a momentary distraction. For the officer, that could be a very valuable moment.
Kevin
not for bankers
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:50 pm
by Rex B
That wouldn't work for a bank teller.
All the bandit would have to do is point the gun at a customer instead.
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:43 pm
by kauboy
dihappy wrote:I'd have to see some actual use statistics, but i think its just a scam.
Im sure the material is bulletproof, but look at the mechanics behind it.
That clipboard in the pic is being held and can pivot from left to right.
A 357 or 45 hitting that thing anywhere but the center will spin that clipboard faster than you can find out where the bullet actually hit you.
It won't be pivoting much. Remember, the force of the bullet's impact is roughly equal to the recoil of the gun. And since your hand and fully extended arm can easily absorb and control that impact, all you have to do is make sure that the bullet hits the clipboard (Attempt this with caution

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Have a good firm grip(which will probably be natural with the adrenaline surging through you) and it shouldn't pivot much at all. And if it does, the round has lost a ton of energy just by hitting it, and won't go far.
I ain't buying that!
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:52 pm
by Rex B
When a round hits that clipboard that you are holding, you can bet you'll feel more than the push you get when firing your own handgun. Going to be a sharp crack across your knuckles that would make Sister Margaret proud back at Our Lady of Perpetual Motion Catholic School! You'd better be holding it with your weak hand, because you won't be able to work a gun with it for a while.
If you are lucky, it will hit beside your hand and roll it to the side, hopefully not breaking your wrist in the process. If it hits above your hand, the bullet could be deflected in your face.
Best use would be to use it to deflect the BGs aim while you get your equipment into play.
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:58 pm
by kw5kw
Which would be better than havin' a hole in ya somewhere!
Re: I ain't buying that!
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:44 pm
by dihappy
Rex B wrote:When a round hits that clipboard that you are holding, you can bet you'll feel more than the push you get when firing your own handgun. Going to be a sharp crack across your knuckles that would make Sister Margaret proud back at Our Lady of Perpetual Motion Catholic School! You'd better be holding it with your weak hand, because you won't be able to work a gun with it for a while.
If you are lucky, it will hit beside your hand and roll it to the side, hopefully not breaking your wrist in the process. If it hits above your hand, the bullet could be deflected in your face.
Best use would be to use it to deflect the BGs aim while you get your equipment into play.
Thats exactly what i was thinking, doesnt the bullets given energy come into play here? I mean, how much force does a .45 have anyway?
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:08 pm
by ElGato
A cop need's a clipboard of some kind, if I were a cop I would want that one.
Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:19 pm
by spud
Wow, thought it was another bunk ebay thing. It makes since though. Not a bad idea.

good parenting
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:07 am
by Rex B
Every responsible parent will ensure their schoolkid has one to ward off evil.
I think I need to buy stock in that company ;)
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:55 am
by HighVelocity
Bulletproof school books will be next.
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:57 am
by longtooth
Some idea of cost on the thing?? Just about.
Re: I ain't buying that!
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:05 am
by AV8R
Rex B wrote:When a round hits that clipboard that you are holding, you can bet you'll feel more than the push you get when firing your own handgun. Going to be a sharp crack across your knuckles that would make Sister Margaret proud back at Our Lady of Perpetual Motion Catholic School! You'd better be holding it with your weak hand, because you won't be able to work a gun with it for a while.
If you are lucky, it will hit beside your hand and roll it to the side, hopefully not breaking your wrist in the process. If it hits above your hand, the bullet could be deflected in your face.
Best use would be to use it to deflect the BGs aim while you get your equipment into play.
The big advantage of using composites instead of ceramic or steel is that the bullet imbeds in the material, being completely stopped in less than its own length, and hence does not ricochet. This is a nice "face saving" feature. The NIJ IIIa clipboard weighs about the same as a large-frame .44 revolver, so the impulse is about the same as the recoil felt by the shooter. If one's wrists hold up shooting a .44, there shouldn't be a problem. Most thugs, though, use something a lot smaller, which allows an officer to respond to a surprise attack with a well-placed, effective shot. Every military culture until modern times fought with a weapon and a shield. It gives you an advantage, especially since the other guy is unprotected.