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The Annoyed Man wrote:Oldgringo wrote: At what point does one's personal responsibility for one's own welfare become the state's responsibility? I argue: "Almost never."
I agree in general. The only applicable instances would be the governments (whatever level) obligation to those that it hires to serve (Military, LEO's, First Responders, etc.).rmr1923 wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:Oldgringo wrote: At what point does one's personal responsibility for one's own welfare become the state's responsibility? I argue: "Almost never."
Exactly, and yet those are the people they keep trying to cut off so they can save money to offer more freebies to the lazy.Purplehood wrote:I agree in general. The only applicable instances would be the governments (whatever level) obligation to those that it hires to serve (Military, LEO's, First Responders, etc.).
???Oldgringo wrote:Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.
Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".Purplehood wrote:???Oldgringo wrote:Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.
That was two opinions, and I really don't know if you agree with them or not. Don't leave us hanging!
I wonder what date is on that graphic do you have a link ?cbr600 wrote:Here's an interesting graphic.Poldark wrote:How can we be the richest country in the world when we owe $14 + trillion to the China and others with pension commitments of many trillions more ? The country is nearly or is bankrupt and yet the President needs to extend his credit card limit once again. Where is the money going to come from and please don't say increase taxes;enough is enough!
I admit to not being able to clearly see it from your perspective for a variety of reasons. I was an Air Force dependent as a child. Joined the MIlitary at a young age and am gainfully employed in the private-sector. These are all indicative of me falling into the "haves" category, and make me inherently biased.Oldgringo wrote:Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".Purplehood wrote:???Oldgringo wrote:Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.
That was two opinions, and I really don't know if you agree with them or not. Don't leave us hanging!
It appears that the respondents have either employer/family furnished insurance or the means to afford any or no insurance. It further appears that the respondents have yet to face bank-breaking medical procedures. As one who was forced (by carotid artery surgery) to choose to self-insure through the Texas Risk Pool for a few years or have no insurance at all, it's interesting to hear others talk of readily available and "affordable" health care.
* Check out the premiums, coverage and deductibles for that "available" insurance. What have you got?
* What is an affordable health insurance premium for a AMERICAN family of four whose combined annual income is $50-70k?
* Why should the government have to insure its various employees when private industry does not? On a similar side note, how come 'gummint' and state and county and city jobs also come with pensions and private industry jobs do not? Who do y'all think pays for that?
Gentlefolk, I voted for Barry Goldwater before most of you were born and I've voted for every Repub POTUS candidate since then.
Health care for AMERICAN citizens should not be a polarizing partisan political issue. It is an American issue and deserves serious bipartisan consideration. Speaking of health issues, I am sick of self-serving partisan politics.
Aye. It is a stickey wicket...to be sure.Mack wrote:There are no easy answers. Only easy questions.
It looked like we heard from some "have nots" already. Disclaimer: They were intelligent, hard working, fiscally conservative "have nots" who have the integrity to stand by their beliefs, even when doing the right thing doesn't profit them.Oldgringo wrote:Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".
That's hardly a fair characterization. I "have" now, but it has not always been so. And yet, my opinion was the same when I had nothing. Tying healthcare to class warfare is disingenuous at best, and destructive at worst.Oldgringo wrote:Thank you for asking although my agreement or disagreement is not important. That said, we have heard from the "haves". I think it would be interesting to hear from the "have nots".Purplehood wrote:???Oldgringo wrote:Well, I reckon that settles that. Y'all have a nice day.
That was two opinions, and I really don't know if you agree with them or not. Don't leave us hanging!
That happens...texanron wrote:I thought this section was for gun related political issues only.......I must've misread something.
er, uh...that's right..maybe...rm9792 wrote:Title just says political issues. Maybe the Moderator can weigh in? I would imagine anything political can lead to more gun control issues. The more they get away with the more they will try to do, it is never enough.
...religious content...Tamie wrote: What did Jesus think about freeloaders? "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat."