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RoyGBiv wrote:So if I'm standing behind him on line and I overhear these threats...
And I see a "bulge" and his hand in his coat...
And I draw and fire.... injuring the guy, or worse..

Standing behind him in line, it's likely the entry wound would be in his back.
What's the likelihood of a "No-Bill".?

What's the liklihood of your 'back shot' passing through the "guy" and hitting the cashier or some other bystander? What if the cashier pulled a gun, shot the perceived threat and 2-3 people standing in line?

A CHL is not a BATMAN license.

Aggiedad wrote:There's not enough info in the OP to know for certain but could it be that this guy really was going to rob Home Depot and lost his nerve when she started crying? Did the "loss prevention" guy stick around afterward for any kind of debriefing or did he leave the store immediately? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Did stick around, and does work for the company.
At the VERY least...I say he disearves a good trip out to the wood shed!

Oldgringo wrote:

Aggiedad wrote:There's not enough info in the OP to know for certain but could it be that this guy really was going to rob Home Depot and lost his nerve when she started crying? Did the "loss prevention" guy stick around afterward for any kind of debriefing or did he leave the store immediately? Inquiring minds would like to know.

That's kind of what I was thinking...

...true enough, if he did, in fact, harm someone else...

...but ANY reasonable person who saw what the idiot did and heard what he said and saw her reaction would have reason to believe that her life was in danger...and if they acted appropriately, SHOULD be no-billed...if it had been my daughter...I wouldn't be callin' him Batman...the fool's very lucky that it didn't happen that way...he was just plain wrong for gettin' outa bed that day...

Oldgringo wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:So if I'm standing behind him on line and I overhear these threats...
And I see a "bulge" and his hand in his coat...
And I draw and fire.... injuring the guy, or worse..

Standing behind him in line, it's likely the entry wound would be in his back.
What's the likelihood of a "No-Bill".?

What's the liklihood of your 'back shot' passing through the "guy" and hitting the cashier or some other bystander? What if the cashier pulled a gun, shot the perceived threat and 2-3 people standing in line?

A CHL is not a BATMAN license.

While this is true...I too believe I would have shot from behind. IF you are going to stop a threat from the rear, you should make sure and place your shots in a way as to limit the possibility of 'pass through'
If you do nothing this time to stop the threat...The next time he robs someone, it might be your wife, daughter or your mom.
If you are in the store, your life is in danger as well. If he decides to shoot the clerk, the next person he decides to shoot just may be the witness.
The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing.’

...every man's gotta decide such things for himself...I decided loooooong ago...it's not about being Batman or Superman or anything of the sort...it's about either stepping up to help another person in danger or continuing on one's way...and a lot goes into that decision...I won't ridicule another man's choice and neither should anyone else...no matter which it is...and, yes...there could be a lot of life-changing fallout either way...

This is Texas not Neutered Yankee City. You don't need a Batman license to shoot an armed robber.

Maybe we do need CHL licenses?

Oldgringo wrote: Maybe we do need CHL licenses?

Only until we get "Arizona carry."

btw, wrt to the OP, I don't think I would have so accurately identified and located my niece on a public forum, especially for an incident that is not otherwise public (apparently, or yet).

ELB wrote:btw, wrt to the OP, I don't think I would have so accurately identified and located my niece on a public forum, especially for an incident that is not otherwise public (apparently, or yet).

Thanks for the heads up, I fixed it.

Oldgringo wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:So if I'm standing behind him on line and I overhear these threats...
And I see a "bulge" and his hand in his coat...
And I draw and fire.... injuring the guy, or worse..

Standing behind him in line, it's likely the entry wound would be in his back.
What's the likelihood of a "No-Bill".?

What's the liklihood of your 'back shot' passing through the "guy" and hitting the cashier or some other bystander? What if the cashier pulled a gun, shot the perceived threat and 2-3 people standing in line?

A CHL is not a BATMAN license.

I guess I'm confused a bit...
In what way is shooting an armed robber standing in front of me playing Batman?

In that situation, would you turn and run, exposing yourself to the BG?
Would you run and hope to get away, leaving the sales clerk to be robbed (minimum) and with her life in jeopardy?

Certainly, not all the facts are known, so, my (or your) reaction to the situation cannot be predicted from a simple scenario, however, facts as they are known.... Communicated threat of robbery, threat of a gun, threat to inflict bodily harm if robbery instructions are not complied with, an immediate threat of bodily harm to the sales clerk for sure, and to yourself proximately...

The question I asked was not... Would you be a hero...
The question I asked WAS.... If you took action and shot the robber in that situation, would it be "justifiable use of deadly force"?

Yes, there are a million and one things that could "possibly" happen.. but my question focuses one one very specific outcome.... You felt there was immediate thread of bodily harm, you fired on the robber, he was injured, the robbery was stopped.... and nothing else....

And yes, the loss prev guy was an idiot and needs to be canned, at minimum.

RoyGBiv wrote:So if I'm standing behind him on line and I overhear these threats...
And I see a "bulge" and his hand in his coat...
And I draw and fire.... injuring the guy, or worse..

Standing behind him in line, it's likely the entry wound would be in his back.

What's the likelihood of a "No-Bill".?

PC §9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in Subsection
(b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the
degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary
to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of
unlawful force. The actor's belief that the force was immediately
necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable
if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom
the force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to
enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle,
or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to
remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation,
vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping,
murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery,
or aggravated robbery;

Remember the standard is what a reasonable man would perceive and do under the circumstances. From the situation as described, there would be no way for a reasonable man who observed it to tell it wasn't a robbery, and every reason to believe it was with an innocent life in immediate danger.

I'm with Gigag04 - the idiot who started out vertical would have become horizontal in a hurry.