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Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 2:36 pm
by steveincowtown
They guy in the booth must have ordered the "Lumberjack Slam" with extra/repeated slam.
I wouldn't have to react to a situation like that, as it would have deescalted it way before it happened. Sometimes a simply "Hey, sorry we offended you, but we can move or you can move, I am just trying to get something to eat and get home sleep" goes a long way. Discretion truly is the better part valor.
As a side note, it was nice of the girl in the booth to hold her boyfriend's head in one position so the attacker didn't have to work so hard to connect.
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:37 pm
by karder
austinrealtor wrote:Since when is it a bus boy's job to provide site security for a restaurant? The manager needs to call the police and tell the offending customers that he/she has done so. But I don't recommend anyone get into the middle of an assault (or fixin'-to-be assault) unless you really know what you're doing.
It is not the bus boy's job per se, but the manager is responsible for the safety of his guests IMO. There are only a tiny fraction of circumstances (I have never encountered one myself) which cannot be contained by an attentive manager. If you see a potential problem brewing, but sit back and hope that things cool down on their own, a few ugly words can grow into a brawl. There is more to managing a restaurant than ordering the napkins. This event represented a major failure by the manager on duty.
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:49 pm
by Aggiedad
What amazed me is how the rest of the customers just sat there ... Had I been a patron, I'd have been on with 911 immediately as I headed for the door as altercations like this can lead to shots being fired. I don't want to get hit (by fists or gunfire) in the melee. Best to get some distance between myself and the actors.
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:06 pm
by Oldgringo
Beiruty wrote:But really why go to Denny's in the first place? Cheap food, you got bad food, worse you got what is in the video, but this could happen anywhere else too.

I beg to differ.
Denny's bacon, sausage and egg breakfasts are as good as anybodys. Have you ever tried one of their sausage cheese omelettes?
Do people carry guns in Massachusetts?
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:01 pm
by Beiruty
Yep I tried their Vegie omlet. it was okay.
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:21 pm
by Kythas
The local police have said they've identified all people in the video. However, nobody is getting charged because in their local jurisdiction someone can only be charged with simple assault and battery if the act is committed while in the presence of a police officer. That doesn't really make sense to me.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... nnys-brawl
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:26 pm
by magillapd
I avoid these types of places at night for this very reason. Much nicer to eat pancakes at home!
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:32 pm
by Photoman
Aggiedad wrote:What amazed me is how the rest of the customers just sat there ... Had I been a patron, I'd have been on with 911 immediately as I headed for the door as altercations like this can lead to shots being fired. I don't want to get hit (by fists or gunfire) in the melee. Best to get some distance between myself and the actors.
+1........
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:40 pm
by Beiruty
Kythas wrote:The local police have said they've identified all people in the video. However, nobody is getting charged because in their local jurisdiction someone can only be charged with simple assault and battery if the act is committed while in the presence of a police officer. That doesn't really make sense to me.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... nnys-brawl
What!
And that video is not admissible in court of law? So, one wife beater can beat his wife and Police do nothing cause, cause the Police did not witness the beating. Nice, I like it. Both the lady and he big Bully boy should be arrested and thrown in jail.
Oh, how many witnesses where in that restaurant?
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:33 am
by Texas_Tactical
If I'm a patron: I would not even pull my gun out as this "fist fight" didn't get to the point where imminent serious bodily injury or death was a concern. To me it was just an argument that boiled over to simple assault. Besides WAY too many people around to justify pulling out a firearm.
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:15 am
by Oldgringo
Beiruty wrote:Kythas wrote:The local police have said they've identified all people in the video. However, nobody is getting charged because in their local jurisdiction someone can only be charged with simple assault and battery if the act is committed while in the presence of a police officer. That doesn't really make sense to me.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... nnys-brawl
What!
And that video is not admissible in court of law? So, one wife beater can beat his wife and Police do nothing cause, cause the Police did not witness the beating. Nice, I like it. Both the lady and he big Bully boy should be arrested and thrown in jail.
Oh, how many witnesses where in that restaurant?
Yankees
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:39 am
by chasfm11
Oldgringo wrote:Beiruty wrote:Kythas wrote:The local police have said they've identified all people in the video. However, nobody is getting charged because in their local jurisdiction someone can only be charged with simple assault and battery if the act is committed while in the presence of a police officer. That doesn't really make sense to me.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... nnys-brawl
What!
And that video is not admissible in court of law? So, one wife beater can beat his wife and Police do nothing cause, cause the Police did not witness the beating. Nice, I like it. Both the lady and he big Bully boy should be arrested and thrown in jail.
Oh, how many witnesses where in that restaurant?
Yankees
Sorry to burst your bubble Old Gringo but Texas has the same kind of an approach. Our daughter's car window was smashed, her dash was ripped open and her Alpine stereo was stolen. They caught the guy who pawned it in Irving (it still had the CD that she could identify inside of it) - along with 69 other stereos which had similarly been ripped from the dashes of Hurst-Euless-Bedford cars over a three week period. The DA refused to prosecute (even though this guy already had a long rap sheet for similar thefts) because no LEO observed him committing the actual thefts.
Crimes only happen if LEOs see them.

Re: What would you do?
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:44 am
by Oldgringo
chasfm11 wrote:Oldgringo wrote:Beiruty wrote:Kythas wrote:The local police have said they've identified all people in the video. However, nobody is getting charged because in their local jurisdiction someone can only be charged with simple assault and battery if the act is committed while in the presence of a police officer. That doesn't really make sense to me.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/ ... nnys-brawl
What!
And that video is not admissible in court of law? So, one wife beater can beat his wife and Police do nothing cause, cause the Police did not witness the beating. Nice, I like it. Both the lady and he big Bully boy should be arrested and thrown in jail.
Oh, how many witnesses where in that restaurant?
Yankees
Sorry to burst your bubble Old Gringo but Texas has the same kind of an approach. Our daughter's car window was smashed, her dash was ripped open and her Alpine stereo was stolen. They caught the guy who pawned it in Irving (it still had the CD that she could identify inside of it) - along with 69 other stereos which had similarly been ripped from the dashes of Hurst-Euless-Bedford cars over a three week period. The DA refused to prosecute (even though this guy already had a long rap sheet for similar thefts) because no LEO observed him committing the actual thefts.
Crimes only happen if LEOs see them.

Hmmm. Wherever your current DA is from, he needs to go back and y'all find a real one.
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:49 am
by TxKimberMan
chasfm11 wrote:
Crimes only happen if LEOs see them.

Where is the line of demarcation for LEO's to have to witness a crime? I'm sure they don't have to witness a murder to prosecute it.
Re: What would you do?
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:30 am
by PeteCamp
Crimes only happen if LEOs see them.
Not true. Domestic violence. Many others. Quite likely what you have is a DA who is way behind on cases and doesn't want to add to his/her burden. The voters should lighten his/her workload.
ETA: It would seem the video is connected with the TV series "The Smoking Gun", so I would be very skeptical that this incident really happened. That particular producer is well-known for "staging" things for the TV show.