Silenced weapon and CCW. is it legal?

[TexasAggie]

Very odd that this topic is being discussed this morning. I've been thinking for two days now how it makes total sense (from hearing loss) to have a silencer for home use.

If you hear someone entering your home, can you imagine reaching for your gun....and then your ear muffs??

[tomneal]

muffs

No, no, no

You have to reach for your muffs first
'cause it takes two hands to put them on. :grin:

Just kidding.
One of the reasons I like .45 ACP is because it's not as loud as some guns.

What will it do to your hearing to shoot a .38 Super, .357 SIG, or any comp gun, with out hearing protection?

[stevie_d_64]

Don't y'all remember this guy? The story was less than a month ago.

Carrying a suppressed AR carbine while making his ATM rounds. Not only wasn't he in trouble when it was stolen, he was a hero for helping recover it (and put a bunch of thugs in jail).

Kevin

I don't remember hearing that the weapon was suppressed...But I believe you...

That is interesting...

[Syntax360]

They will undoubtedly ask your neighbors "Around what time did you hear the gunshot?" To which they will all reply, "Huh? Gunshot? I didn't hear no gunshot.

In some neighborhoods, the neighbors would always say that. Ditto screaming.

- Jim

+1. It is quite common for neighbors and passerbys to never hear gunshots or screams, etc.

[Popshot]

For home defense use, the hearing protection angle is a good point to ponder.

I agree that trying to carry a handgun that included a can would be a major challenge to conceal. This, in turn, might cause a bit of difficulty in deploying the weapon when it was needed most.

On the other hand, a firearm with a suppressor does have that mystic quality that will delight some folks and cause others to recoil in horror. That alone might make the effort and expense worth it for a non-concealed machine. I might just have to look into this.

[txinvestigator]

Auditory Exclusion

http://www.rmcat.com/page17.html

"(3): Auditory Exclusion and Tunnel Vision
In many police shooting reports one can read officers reporting something like this: "I didn't hear the shots I fired, I don't know for sure how many, all I felt was the buck of the gun in my hand as I fired" Under adrenaline the body shuts down or reduces some body functions to be able to enhance others. In general hearing can be greatly impaired under adrenal stress. Also, one's vision often tunnels into the perceived visual threat and peripheral vision can thus be greatly reduced. Armed robbery victims will tunnel into the gun or knife and thus they often report to police "it was the biggest gun I ever saw!" Until you learn to deal with these adrenal reactions you can be very vulnerable to the "MO" of criminal assailants and even just "bully types" as you may not see or hear that second assailant you are being set up for by the first one. You may not see the man reaching for his weapon in time either if you tunnel in on his barking face! Conversely if you do see these things, then they may just decide to pass you by as just too alert to be acceptable victim potential "



This is good read too;


http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/fi ... nthree.htm

[casselthief]

I know from personal experience, that I dude firing a pistol in an apartment living room sounded like a cap gun to me. I heard it, but it was off in the distance. didn't even sound real to me.
I couldn't have told you how loud it was. the ringing in my ears wasn't aparrent to me till much later.

so I wouldn't wurrah about it. but a silencer in the home is a great idea!
or you can just use some pillows!! that's what all the movies do! :P

[KBCraig]

Don't y'all remember this guy? The story was less than a month ago.

Carrying a suppressed AR carbine while making his ATM rounds. Not only wasn't he in trouble when it was stolen, he was a hero for helping recover it (and put a bunch of thugs in jail).

Kevin

I don't remember hearing that the weapon was suppressed...But I believe you...

That is interesting...

The suppressor was how he got the ATF involved. They don't care about routine gun thefts.

Kevin

[Syntax360]

What say you, txinvestigator (or other current/former LEO's)? You have the LEO experience - what would your response have been after discovering that the guy you just pulled over on his way home from the grocery store has a CHL and was packing a Mk23 + Gemtech suppressor (legally purchased, of course) in a shoulder rig ?

[txinvestigator]

What say you, txinvestigator (or other current/former LEO's)? You have the LEO experience - what would your response have been after discovering that the guy you just pulled over on his way home from the grocery store has a CHL and was packing a Mk23 + Gemtech suppressor (legally purchased, of course) in a shoulder rig ?

Minus any other suspiscion that would cause me to discover that he had a suppressor......if he had his NFA paperwork I would have no response.

Thats not true, I would ask him how he is able to conceal it, how much it cost, how quiet it is, etc.

[Weg]

I would just like to carry a Ruger MK 2 (suppressesd) on my early morning walks with my dogs to fend of strays and coyotes/skunks etc.It's a very rural area, no one will even here the shots, would this be illegal?By the way, this is all within a rural HOA with no bylaws addressing gun carrying.

[The Annoyed Man]

I absolutely will be using a suppressed SBR for home defense, and my "excuse" (although I don't really need one) for the DA is that it makes perfect sense for indoors, as anybody with half a brain can tell you.

[baldeagle]

I'll trade my hearing for my life. I doubt one incident will affect your hearing anyway. Soldiers don't use hearing protection, and AFAIK they suffer from tinnitus (which I have) but can still hear sufficiently to get along.

[Bitter Clinger]

PC §46.05.
PROHIBITED WEAPONS.


(a) A person commits an offense if he intention-ally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:

(4) a firearm silencer;

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this sec-tion that the actor's conduct was incidental to the performance of official duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law enforce-ment agency, or a correctional facility.

(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this sec-tion that the actor's possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the National Firearms Act, as amended.

(e) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree unless it is committed under Subsec-tion (a)(5) or (a)(6), in which event, it is a Class A misdemeanor.

SB 473 regarding the "Pssession, manufacture, etc., of prohibited weapons, firearms and related items was just VERY RECENTLY revised, signed by Governor Abbott and effective just this past September 1, 2015.

The revision restructured the prohibited weapons section of TPC 46.05 to criminalize ONLY UNREGISTERED NFA weapons instead of ALL NFA weapons. So the need to prove the affirmative defense of NFA registration in court is removed, to my understanding.

[Beiruty]

Auditory Exclusion

http://www.rmcat.com/page17.html

"(3): Auditory Exclusion and Tunnel Vision
In many police shooting reports one can read officers reporting something like this: "I didn't hear the shots I fired, I don't know for sure how many, all I felt was the buck of the gun in my hand as I fired" Under adrenaline the body shuts down or reduces some body functions to be able to enhance others. In general hearing can be greatly impaired under adrenal stress. Also, one's vision often tunnels into the perceived visual threat and peripheral vision can thus be greatly reduced. Armed robbery victims will tunnel into the gun or knife and thus they often report to police "it was the biggest gun I ever saw!" Until you learn to deal with these adrenal reactions you can be very vulnerable to the "MO" of criminal assailants and even just "bully types" as you may not see or hear that second assailant you are being set up for by the first one. You may not see the man reaching for his weapon in time either if you tunnel in on his barking face! Conversely if you do see these things, then they may just decide to pass you by as just too alert to be acceptable victim potential "



This is good read too;


http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/fi ... nthree.htm

One has to add, in that situation, you are on auto-pilot mode for survival.

I can testify:

It happened to me once. you feel crushed after you settle down. This why you are advised by LEOs or any of your friends not talk to anyone.