Shooting onboard Nuclear Sub in UK

[wheelgun1958]

Hasan could get tried in Texas state court for capital murder, though the Army chose to charge him under UCMJ. Do you KNOW that the UK doesn't have a similar possibility?

He killed a civilian also. Texas will get him when the Army is finished.

[b322da]

The sailor was involved in a changing of the guard duty thus he was armed. He killed an officer. Being in the military, there will be no civilian trial. It will all be handled in service and his life is basically over too.

Are you sure? Do you know the procedures for military/civilian crown trials in the UK?

Those who are interested in the British system of military justice, along with the interesting history of its development and its early role in the development of our own country's counterpart, might find this of interest.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+Briti ... 0103136512" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Elmo

[comp73]

I am a former submariner, but for the US Navy, not the Brits. I do know we share a lot of similarities in how we stand in-port "watches". Everything forward of the engine room, or the nuclear reactor to be precise, is basically considered the forward compartment (FC). There are normally 2 - 3 "watches" that are manned in the FC. (We are not including the CPO/Officer watches for those who were in the military )

The "Below Decks" watch is a roving watch whose main responsibility is to rove around inside the sub and check gauges.

The "Topside" watch is located on the sub, next to the gangplank to control access to the ship from the pier via the gangplank

The "Pier Sentry" watch is located on the pier, next to the gangplank to control access to the gangplank. This watch is not always used, but since this was a "show" stop for VIPs and such, there is a good chance one was utilized

For us, the Pier Sentry was armed with a night stick, except for when we were in the Middle East. Below Decks was not armed in any fashion. The Topside watch was the only one who had a firearm and that was a pistol. During watch turnover, we were required to unload the mag and count the bullets, but never were we allowed to chamber a round.

I found a follow up article stating the shooting happened while the VIPs were on board the sub.

Last thing, it also stated that most serious offenses that happen in the military while they are physically in GB are handled by the Civilian courts, not the military

Mark

[ScottDLS]

Hasan could get tried in Texas state court for capital murder, though the Army chose to charge him under UCMJ. Do you KNOW that the UK doesn't have a similar possibility?

He killed a civilian also. Texas will get him when the Army is finished.

This is also what I was thinking, though killing a civilain is still murder under the UCMJ, so he could be tried in military court for that too. Now what gets sticky is if his military trial results in "life w/o parole" and some future (or current) administration decides not to make him available to Texas for trial and/or execution...

[hirundo82]

The sailor was involved in a changing of the guard duty thus he was armed. He killed an officer. Being in the military, there will be no civilian trial. It will all be handled in service and his life is basically over too.

The UK prohibits the death penalty for all offenses, both military and and civilian. It is possible, although rare, to be sentenced to life without parole for murder.

According to updates today, the military and civilian authorities decided that the case will be handled by the civilian courts. Perhaps the British military doesn't feel it has as much to cover up as the Army does in the Fort Hood shooting.

[sugar land dave]

Perhaps the British military doesn't feel it has as much to cover up as the Army does in the Fort Hood shooting.

Your opinion is somewhat different than mine.