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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:39 pm
by stevie_d_64
Baytown wrote:
Where are all the libo whackos screaming about violation of Fed law on that one?

Glenn
NYC, Washington D.C., Chicago, etc etc...

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:47 pm
by stevie_d_64
dolanp wrote:FOPA 'applies' to NY but they are willingly and aggressively ignoring it.
Thats why unfortunately I ignore NYC these days...

I had the great opportunity to go up and help after 9-11, I helped spell some of the guys at ground zero, and on a few shifts at some of the nearby companies that lost people who responded that morning...

Thats when I learned about some of this stuff we've been talking about...

It ain't the people...Its the government...

I may perhaps visit there again someday...

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:02 pm
by jimlongley
BobCat wrote:jimlongley,

You wrote, "Unfortunately, NYCity has managed to prove that FOPA does not apply there. If you are going to fly out of a NYC airport you had better not be traveling with a firearm, period."

Please forgive my literal-mindedness, but did they actually somehow prove this legally, or is your statement simply justified bitter sarcasm? I thought the FOPA was a Federal law - did they really manage to "repeal" it in NYC?

Thanks in advance for any clarification you care to provide. It is academic anyway - I have no plans to visit NYC, just curious.

Regards,
Andrew
Simply bitter sarcasm. NYC has opted to follow a very narrow definition of traveling with a firearm. Even in NY's Penal Code there is provision for someone passing through the state, and to a limited extent the city, going to and from a match. But the match has to be sanctioned by the NRA and the person has to have a certificate showing their participation along with a pistol license or registration from their home state.

Although the law allows something like 48 hours for transit, NYC takes the view that the trip has to be continuous and by one mode of transportation. If you drive down, in a rental car, from CT to LaGuardia and try to catch a flight, the trip is no longer continuous, and you will probably be arrested when the airline notifies the police (TSA involvement is not necessary) and even if you eventually beat the charge, it will be a long and expensive process.

If you happen to come from one of the many states that does not have gun registration or a provision for a pistol license, Illinois comes to mind, and TX does not require a CHL to own a handgun and participate in compettitions, and you cannot display the license or registration, you will probably be arrested as above.

If you are an IDPA, USPSA, Cowboy Action, or any number of others, shooter, you will probably be arrested as above.



My yankee carpetbagger parents kidnapped me from my native San Antonio when I was too young to defend myself and made me grow up in Albany, NY. I got back to TX as soon as I could, but in the meantime I was denied a Pistol Permit in NY by a simple method used by judges all across the state, he just never processed it. I thus harbor double resentment against NY. :)

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:29 am
by BobCat
jimlongley,

Thanks for the reply! I still do not understand how NYC can "get away with" violating federal law. I suppose it is because it would take a test case going against them, and no one is rich and stupid enough to deliberately become such a test case. But if they do arrest a normal person who is complying with the FOPA - would not the NRA or SAF maybe take up the defense of said normal person?

Having grown up in Illinois, next to the big city on the lake - I actually deleted what I wrote originally, as there is no point in being offensive, rude, vulgar, profane, and viscous in a polite forum such as this - and thinking that "waiting periods" were normal, there is no way I would ever move back to someplace like that.

Regards,
Andrew

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:58 am
by jimlongley
BobCat wrote:jimlongley,

Thanks for the reply! I still do not understand how NYC can "get away with" violating federal law. I suppose it is because it would take a test case going against them, and no one is rich and stupid enough to deliberately become such a test case. But if they do arrest a normal person who is complying with the FOPA - would not the NRA or SAF maybe take up the defense of said normal person?

Having grown up in Illinois, next to the big city on the lake - I actually deleted what I wrote originally, as there is no point in being offensive, rude, vulgar, profane, and viscous in a polite forum such as this - and thinking that "waiting periods" were normal, there is no way I would ever move back to someplace like that.

Regards,
Andrew
After I left NY I lived in Bolingbrook for 6 years. The first place, after the miitary, that I (legally) owned a handgun.

Although there have been several "incidents" involving NYC's overzealous enforcement and questionable interpretation of the law, I don't know the status of any arrests beyond that there has not been an adequate test case. In the only situation that I am well enough acquainted with to quote the gun owner "surrendered" his gun rather than be arrested, and I believe it has happened more than once. I think NYC counts on people being intimidated to get away with it.

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:18 am
by Baytown
I'm back, sorry for the late report.

I carried a SW 36 in a Del Fatti rig and six extra rounds in a dump pouch. I had very little problems and never felt nervous about having a gun.

No metal detectors in library or museums so that was no problem.

Here is the one good CHL story I have from NY. My wife wanted to go to the top of the Empire State Building this time. We were in line and went up the stairs to the second floor and saw that had about 5 metal detectors. I went to the nearest security guard and told her I was an off-duty cop and I would set the alarms off, so I needed to sign in or whatever it was they do. She looked at me and asked, "Do you have a gun on?" :roll: DUH!

She said she could not let me through if I was not NY (city!!) or fedral. So I acted like I knew what I was doing. I told her there was a sign-in process and I was carrying my gun legally under POPA, and I would need to see a supervisor. She directed me downstairs and I met with a supervisor. I explained the situation and he asked, "So do you have a gun?" :shock: :roll: I again acted like I knew what I was doing and told him if I was not going to be allowed to carry, I needed access to a secure box, etc...to put my gun in.

He called for a supervisor. Waited about 5 mins and a guy in a suit came and greeted me with a smile and a handshake, and addressed me as officer. He called out of the office and to the side and asked if I had a weapon (shaking his head "no" the whole time.) Could not have been nicer, and told me he understood. He went back into the office and got my wife. (She said later, she was sure I was going to jail!! :lol: )

He joked with us for a little while and then took us past several swipe card check points and got on some elevators and walked us to another elevator and said, "Have a good day." He left us on the direct elevator to the roof.

In the process of by-passing all the checkpoints, we also passed the place where you have to pay as well. So not only did my gun help keep all those people on the roof safer, it also got me to the top for free!!!

Glenn

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 4:30 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Whew!!! :shock: I've been fearing that "Hey Charles, how quickly can you get to New York" phone call from you. I'll glad you and Mrs. Baytown had a nice trip and that you're back in Texas. Now, stay out of NYC!! Native Texans have no business there. God, I hope you Dad doesn't hear about this. :lol:

Regards,
Chas.