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AndyC wrote:Great analyses, guys, thank you!

There's lies, darn lies and statistics.

SQLGeek wrote:I would expect nothing less to come from the UC system, let alone the wanna be Berkeley that is UC Davis.

As a former unwilling resident of Northern California (courtesy of the United States Air Force), I see that you too know of the "Socialist Democratic Peoples' City of Davis"! Not one bit of surprise on my part once I saw the source...

Gun owners who carry concealed weapons or have confronted another person with a gun are more than twice as likely to drink heavily as people who do not own guns

This is as far as I was able to get. Lumping in CHL holders with the guy who holds up the 7-11 real great way to make a point. It's like saying baseball players and bat wielding thugs are twice as likely likely to shoplift, just because they carry both carry a bat.

Heartland Patriot wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:I would expect nothing less to come from the UC system, let alone the wanna be Berkeley that is UC Davis.

As a former unwilling resident of Northern California (courtesy of the United States Air Force), I see that you too know of the "Socialist Democratic Peoples' City of Davis"! Not one bit of surprise on my part once I saw the source...

I grew up in the Bay Area and left there a few years ago to move out here. I'm all too well familiar with their insanity.

Let's guess which of the eight states were in the study.....

California?
Illinois?
Hawaii?
Massachusetts?
New York?
New Jersey?
Connecticut?
Rhode Island?

It's hard to imagine any state where the gun culture is strong and vibrant producing the kind of morons who were allegedly surveyed in this study.

i own quite a few guns and i carry. It takes me a few years to finish off a bottle of hard alcohol. I dont even like to drink beer. and I NEVER order alcohol at restraunts or bars. I find their results flawed.

All I know is after this week, I need a drink. But guns will be put away and I'm not getting drunk.

Texas Dan Mosby wrote:My goodness!

I never knew that firearms were responsible for individual behaviors! While I am not an alcoholic, nor do I drive under the influence, this study, conducted by professionals, CLEARLY shows that IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME before I fall under the spell of my firearms and find myself to be an out of control alcoholic who frequently drives drunk!!!

BETTER GET RID OF MY GUNS BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!

THANKS UC Davis!

Absolutely. Don't even wait to sober up. just bring them over here immediately.

Since I got my CHL, my drink of choice has become Vodka and Tonic. Prior to getting my CHL, I drank a lot of the brown and tan liquors, smoked and wanted to shoot people all of the time.

Now that I have my CHL, stopped smoking and changed my drink of choice, I just sit around and grin at folks and hope that I don't have to shoot nobody. Why can't we all just get along?

This seems strangely similar to the study that claims that households that have guns are more likely to have an occurrence of violence. I would look carefully into the polling sources. The trend in these studies is that the researchers take their data from communities that have a concentrated occurrence of crime and gang related activity. So naturally the people that "own" guns tend to participate in risky behavior.

Also criminals tend to prefer handguns because they can "conceal them". A perp isn't going to get really far in committing a crime if he is carrying around an "ak" type gun and gets stopped before he can enter the store. When the report is written up it usually states that the person was carrying a concealed handgun.

Just another lame attempt at lumping in the honest gun owner in with seedier part of society in hopes that the average person cannot tell the difference and believes the illusion.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:

SQLGeek wrote:I would expect nothing less to come from the UC system, let alone the wanna be Berkeley that is UC Davis.

Clearly a result-oriented "study."

Chas.

The author has had quite a successful career cherry-picking data to support his bias against gun owners. Unfortunately, editors of medical journals, especially public health journals, are all too happy to publish poor studies like this as they have a similar political agenda.

"The study also evaluated gun owners who indicated that they had attended a firearm-safety workshop in the previous three years. Those respondents were less likely to engage in alcohol-related risk behaviors than those who had not attended a workshop." as per the article.

Ever though the article is trying to paint a broad stroke and try to paint gun owners in a negative way. This little nugget of truth is revealed. This shows that the gun owner that takes safety courses or takes the time to receive training as a majority of chl holders must do then the opposite is true for them. They tend to be less likely to participate in said risky behaviors. maybe they had to put in that information just they didn't seem completely biased.

RiverCity.45 wrote:This is a correlational study. The most basic rule about correlations is that one cannot infer cause and effect from the results. That two things are correlated does not mean one causes the other. People who are not trained in research methodology and statistics make this error frequently, and the mass media does, as well.

Thanks for saving me some typing..

The next round is on me...

Does this mean that I am supposed to take up actively drinking?