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The Annoyed Man wrote:This is one reason why elections matter. You elect the right people, and TSA get's its wings clipped. You elect the wrong people, and you get what we're getting.

Do you think Perry would clip their wings?

My, my, my ... What will it take for us to get over our silliness about profiling and get rid of all this expensive (and useless) technology and the associated jobs program ... grrrrrrr!

hangfour wrote:My, my, my ... What will it take for us to get over our silliness about profiling and get rid of all this expensive (and useless) technology and the associated jobs program ... grrrrrrr!

When people say "profiling" I read it as muslim people. And I do not see it as "silliness" when peoples (any peoples) rights are unfairly trampled.

mamabearCali wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:This is one reason why elections matter. You elect the right people, and TSA get's its wings clipped. You elect the wrong people, and you get what we're getting.

Do you think Perry would clip their wings?

I really don't have any idea. OTH, I'm not necessarily a fan of his. I'd vote for him over Obama, but I might not vote for him in the primary.

When people say "profiling" I read it as muslim people. And I do not see it as "silliness" when peoples (any peoples) rights are unfairly trampled.

I'm a Muslim and I don't see how it tramples on anyone's rights to be singled out for a search if it protects life. All of us profile ... I profile when I'm walking in 'certain neighborhoods' and I see four or five young men dressed in hoodies displaying gang colors ... I move to 'orange' alert especially since I have a CHL. Is this wrong?

hangfour wrote:

When people say "profiling" I read it as muslim people. And I do not see it as "silliness" when peoples (any peoples) rights are unfairly trampled.

I'm a Muslim and I don't see how it tramples on anyone's rights to be singled out for a search if it protects life. All of us profile ... I profile when I'm walking in 'certain neighborhoods' and I see four or five young men dressed in hoodies displaying gang colors ... I move to 'orange' alert especially since I have a CHL. Is this wrong?

But what I hear some saying is only profile the muslims and I think that would be ineffective. What I think we need is behavioral profiling. Keep the metal detectors take the scanners out and replace them with sniffers that can detect explosives. If any thing was to make it past that I don't think anything else could stop a threat.If a threat is not stopped before they get to the airport there is little chance anything at the airport would stop it.

hangfour wrote:m a Muslim and I don't see how it tramples on anyone's rights to be singled out for a search if it protects life. All of us profile ... I profile when I'm walking in 'certain neighborhoods' and I see four or five young men dressed in hoodies displaying gang colors ... I move to 'orange' alert especially since I have a CHL. Is this wrong?

I firmly believe profiling is useful and we all do it even if we don't think about it, I think the difference comes in how we use it and how well we use it. In your situation you are in a bad neighborhood, there is a group, they are wearing hoodies, and have gang colors, in this situation I believe you successfully profiled a potential threat. Now at an airport, the only thing that makes you suspicious is your race? I disagree with this, race is not enough of a basis to profile someone as a threat, there are so many more factors than race that they should be paying attention to.

Now at an airport, the only thing that makes you suspicious is your race? I disagree with this, race is not enough of a basis to profile someone as a threat, there are so many more factors than race that they should be paying attention to.

What? There are Caucasian Muslims, Chinese Muslims (about 20 million of them), Indonesian Muslims (202 million), Indian Muslims ... I could go on and on. Perhaps the poster meant Arabs (not Muslims) as only a small percentage of Muslims are Arabs.

hangfour wrote:

Now at an airport, the only thing that makes you suspicious is your race? I disagree with this, race is not enough of a basis to profile someone as a threat, there are so many more factors than race that they should be paying attention to.

What? There are Caucasian Muslims, Chinese Muslims (about 20 million of them), Indonesian Muslims (202 million), Indian Muslims ... I could go on and on. Perhaps the poster meant Arabs (not Muslims) as only a small percentage of Muslims are Arabs.

My bad I miss spoke, I was multi tasking... not very well apparently. All I meant was that there are very few things that by themselves should make a person a potential threat, like waving a weapon around. Being a member of a certain religion, race or sex shouldn't qualify a person as a potential threat by its self.

What is really needed at TSA is a rule that they will not hire anyone with an IQ less than room temperature. That would stop some of this stupidity. (IMHO)

Just a kneejerk reaction to the growing mountain of exposure of their abuse and infringement. They're desperately trying to stay relevant and stay in the money. The only terrorists you need to be afraid of are the TSA.

The real terrorists have to be laughing their tails off.

They can make the current crop of security geniuses in this administration beg, bark, and roll over just by starting a rumor.

It's gotta be a lot funnier over there than it is over here.

It's also another obvious reminder that elections have consequences.

loadedliberal wrote:What I think we need is behavioral profiling.

I can't speak for anyone else, but whenever I've heard the argument to use "Israeli style profiling" this is exactly what is being referrenced. As I understand it (from reading a few articles - I'm not expert), the Israelis use behavorial profiling AND good-ol' fashion judge-a-book-by-its-cover profiling to determine who gets extra-special security screening.

A-R wrote:

loadedliberal wrote:What I think we need is behavioral profiling.

I can't speak for anyone else, but whenever I've heard the argument to use "Israeli style profiling" this is exactly what is being referrenced. As I understand it (from reading a few articles - I'm not expert), the Israelis use behavorial profiling AND good-ol' fashion judge-a-book-by-its-cover profiling to determine who gets extra-special security screening.

And their intelligence agency is in on it, too. I think.

Excaliber wrote:It's also another obvious reminder that elections have consequences.

I think Straus being reelected so he could kill campus carry again is proof positive of that.