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drjoker wrote:
P.S. I think that all these crazy "what if" situations where it's impossible to come out a "winner" are started by anti 2nd A posters. Don't play their game. Instead of saying what you'd do if you were in such and such a situation, let them know that you're able to AVOID the situation because you know where the exits are.

drjoker wrote:All of these "what if" scenarios keep popping up on the forum, but they all have one thing in common. They all assume that you were caught unprepared by surprise. Here's my favorite perennial "what if": "what if the bg has a gun to your head?"

My response: "Well you don't let him get his gun pointed to your head, !"

Always sit near the exit. That way, you could leave and if the bg were to follow (unlikely), then the bg would be silhouetted in the doorway for easy pickings. If an exit seat were unavailable, then a seat with cover and an escape route would be preferable. As a last resort, a seat with a clear line of fire to the cash register and close to the entrance would be least preferred.

Body language, speed, and clothing would be indicators of possible intent. Always be aware of your surroundings with your peripheral vision. Even if you are looking at an exotic dancer at your center of vision, your peripheral vision should still sense something is possibly wrong if someone RUNS into the hair salon. There's no reason to RUN into a hair salon. Frowning and reaching for something underneath a cover garment would be corroborating body language. Clothing might be a giveaway, but many bg put on their Sunday best to lessen suspicion of a robbery and make a clean getaway, so that's not always reliable. Given the perp's speed and body language, you should already be reaching for your weapon and pedaling out the door. By the time the perp draws and yells, "It's a stickup!" You should already be halfway out the door with your gun drawn.

If you do have to shoot in a crowded room where there's no clear shot without danger of penetrating the bg and hitting someone else behind the bg, then practice shooting for a perp's foot. A perp who loses his balance due to a missing foot has a natural fall instinct response; the hand releases the gun and extends for balance and to break the fall. This means the perp will lose control of his weapon if you shoot him in the foot. The downward trajectory of a foot shot ensures that the shot will not over-penetrate the bg and hit someone behind him.

In summary, anywhere you go, be sure to look for the required by law red "EXIT" sign. This may save your life someday.

P.S. I think that all these crazy "what if" situations where it's impossible to come out a "winner" are started by anti 2nd A posters. Don't play their game. Instead of saying what you'd do if you were in such and such a situation, let them know that you're able to AVOID the situation because you know where the exits are.

drjoker wrote: If you do have to shoot in a crowded room where there's no clear shot without danger of penetrating the bg and hitting someone else behind the bg, then practice shooting for a perp's foot. A perp who loses his balance due to a missing foot has a natural fall instinct response; the hand releases the gun and extends for balance and to break the fall. This means the perp will lose control of his weapon if you shoot him in the foot. The downward trajectory of a foot shot ensures that the shot will not over-penetrate the bg and hit someone behind him.

drjoker wrote:P.S. I think that all these crazy "what if" situations where it's impossible to come out a "winner" are started by anti 2nd A posters.

Always sit near the exit. That way, you could leave

Seabear wrote:This is why I tell my CHL students over and over that they needto go through multiple scenarios in their heads LONG before they start carrying. When the time comes, it's too late to decide how you would react. So I am gladyou are thinking about it now.

In this situation, with 2 against 1 and so many innocents nearby I would have to let the robbery unfold . If they take the money and run, nobody gets hurt. If I draw my weapon someone if not everyone could get hurt or killed. Now, if the robbers escalate things by showing signs of preparing to execute people before leaving or commit sexual assaults etc. I would have to look for my opportunity to STOP them. All the more reason to be proficient with your weapon.

74novaman wrote:

drjoker wrote: If you do have to shoot in a crowded room where there's no clear shot without danger of penetrating the bg and hitting someone else behind the bg, then practice shooting for a perp's foot. A perp who loses his balance due to a missing foot has a natural fall instinct response; the hand releases the gun and extends for balance and to break the fall. This means the perp will lose control of his weapon if you shoot him in the foot. The downward trajectory of a foot shot ensures that the shot will not over-penetrate the bg and hit someone behind him.

This seems like Hollywood inspired bad advice.

About the best way I could think of to produce a richochet and potentially damage bystanders would be to shoot at a bad guys feet like I was trying to make him dance in an old western movie. Floors are hard. Handgun caliber bullets tend to bounce off hard objects like that.

There are plenty of documented cases where BGs take a round or more center mass and keep moving. What makes you think there is any kind of guarantee that if a BG gets shot in the foot he's going to drop the gun, grab his foot and fall over?

Sorry, but I think that is a TERRIBLE idea.

Now - if you can just remember all that when the adrenaline dump occurs!

seamusTX wrote:Fighting like your life was on the line might be a good idea. I dunno.

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Barber shops and hairdressers are prime robbery targets because they take in a lot of cash. I'm surprised they are not robbed more often than they are. Women are more vulnerable to kidnapping and rape. Some criminals seem to want to kill just for the sake of doing evil.

- Jim

The Annoyed Man wrote:
A good idea is to have a "throw down" wallet. Always carry your gun on your body.

gigag04 wrote:Shoot 1 once. Shoot 2 twice. Shoot 1 again.

Repeat until threat stops.