Cause and effect - 30.06 Sign..

[The Annoyed Man]

I have to say, in the last 10 years or so I cannot remember ever seeing a 30.06 sign, valid or otherwise. I have seen a lot of no gun type signs but not a 30.06. Maybe I don't get out enough.

Never been to Baylor Grapevine Hospital, have you?

[speedsix]

...come to think about it...never saw a proper 30.06 sign on a funeral home...think about it...

[chasfm11]

I have to say, in the last 10 years or so I cannot remember ever seeing a 30.06 sign, valid or otherwise. I have seen a lot of no gun type signs but not a 30.06. Maybe I don't get out enough.

Never been to Baylor Grapevine Hospital, have you?

Not only is the main Hospital building correctly posted but several of the satellite buildings (I haven't been in all of them) also have what appear to be valid 30.06 signs. I would suspect that most (if not all) of the Baylor system hospitals are posted.

Also, there was a thread a while back about the Harris Methodist Hospital in Bedford and a nurse with a CHL who was arrested for carrying. If I remember correctly, there was a 30.06 sign there, too. I could be wrong about that and a quick search did not turn up that thread.

[speedsix]

...here we go...

"Re: 30.06 Sign
by ScottDLS » Mon May 09, 2011 7:49 am

WildBill wrote:
pcgizzmo wrote:
Statistically I don't think we have anything to draw a conclusion with. I think we do. The DPS statistics show that there are very few CHL holders who are convicted for this offense. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administra" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... vrates.htm



Very few = none. If you're talking Trespass by CHL (30.06) or Trespass (30.05, before 1997). Maybe there are some 30.06 sign violations buried in 46.035 (unlawful carry by licensee) for 46.035(b)(4,5,6)&(c)...where sign is required to enforce. But the one case that we know of (Bedford Nurse) the DA declined to prosecute because the notice apparently wasn't "close enough"."

[wgoforth]

A lot of the gun buster signs are for insurance purposes
If a business has an insurance policy issued by a company
That is based in an anti-gun state like Mass. or New Jersey
Not allowing guns might give them a reduced insurance rate
This way they can claim that “we do not allow guns" when they really
Do allow guns or they don't care

I have heard that, but question if its just an urban legend, considering I travel to states where all no-gun signs carry weight of law. In those states, I have not seen a single no gun sign at all.

[txjim42]

I have to say, in the last 10 years or so I cannot remember ever seeing a 30.06 sign, valid or otherwise. I have seen a lot of no gun type signs but not a 30.06. Maybe I don't get out enough.

Never been to Baylor Grapevine Hospital, have you?

Not only is the main Hospital building correctly posted but several of the satellite buildings (I haven't been in all of them) also have what appear to be valid 30.06 signs. I would suspect that most (if not all) of the Baylor system hospitals are posted.

Also, there was a thread a while back about the Harris Methodist Hospital in Bedford and a nurse with a CHL who was arrested for carrying. If I remember correctly, there was a 30.06 sign there, too. I could be wrong about that and a quick search did not turn up that thread.

Are the vast majority of hospitals "gun-free zones?" What do these places do to ensure employee security or are they mostly concerned liability mitigation?

[snatchel]

I almost never see 30.06 signs.... But I happened to see one this weekend. AMC Theatre at Parks Mall had one.. I kind of expected it, so I left my handgun in the car... Took me thirty minutes to find the sign though! It was tiny, and in the bottom corner of the booth. Not sure if it was compliant, but I wasnt going to test it.

[Kythas]

The two places I've seen compliant signs in the last year:

Six Flags over Texas in Arlington
Scarborough Faire in Waxahachie

I haven't stepped foot in any hospitals in the last year (thank God) but most every hospital I've ever been to is legally posted.

[C-dub]

I have to say, in the last 10 years or so I cannot remember ever seeing a 30.06 sign, valid or otherwise. I have seen a lot of no gun type signs but not a 30.06. Maybe I don't get out enough.

Never been to Baylor Grapevine Hospital, have you?

Not only is the main Hospital building correctly posted but several of the satellite buildings (I haven't been in all of them) also have what appear to be valid 30.06 signs. I would suspect that most (if not all) of the Baylor system hospitals are posted.

Also, there was a thread a while back about the Harris Methodist Hospital in Bedford and a nurse with a CHL who was arrested for carrying. If I remember correctly, there was a 30.06 sign there, too. I could be wrong about that and a quick search did not turn up that thread.

Are the vast majority of hospitals "gun-free zones?" What do these places do to ensure employee security or are they mostly concerned liability mitigation?

Absolutely nothing, the same as any school.

[johnson0317]

There have been two shootings at one of the hospitals I work in, in the last couple of years. One took place in the parking lot, and the other in the hospital itself. God Bless the security people who work there. Many of them are ex-LEO and most are simply ex-youngsters. They mean the absolute best, but the old saw still applies, "When seconds count, security is only minutes away".

RJ

[stash]

Well, guess what - I saw one yesterday that probably was not compliant but would probably get you a ride if somehow your weapon was exposed and police were called. The letters were about one half inch at the most on what appeared to be on bond paper (8x10) and it had some extra wording of the top but the rest of the wording was correct and in english and spanish. It was located in a 3 story medical building. The main entrance to this building is different in that when you go in you have a small waiting room with a doctors office at one end where the sign was located. No sign at the main entrance. The only other thing in the waiting room was an elevator and stairwell which give you access to the other two stories. So I assume the sign was for the doctors office in the waiting room on the first floor. Anyway the wife had to go to the 3rd floor and we saw no further signs.

By the way this building is across the street from the hospital that my wife goes too. The hospital has a no guns sign on every door to this big hospital but no 30.06.

[RPB]

Are the vast majority of hospitals "gun-free zones?" What do these places do to ensure employee security or are they mostly concerned liability mitigation?

From what I've seen, big city hospitals are posted, small town hospitals owned by and with the same name as the big city ones ... not so much... I like the one in a small town near me with the "Warning; these premises protected by attack chicken" type sign
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[speedsix]

Well, guess what - I saw one yesterday that probably was not compliant but would probably get you a ride if somehow your weapon was exposed and police were called. The letters were about one half inch at the most on what appeared to be on bond paper (8x10) and it had some extra wording of the top but the rest of the wording was correct and in english and spanish. It was located in a 3 story medical building. The main entrance to this building is different in that when you go in you have a small waiting room with a doctors office at one end where the sign was located. No sign at the main entrance. The only other thing in the waiting room was an elevator and stairwell which give you access to the other two stories. So I assume the sign was for the doctors office in the waiting room on the first floor. Anyway the wife had to go to the 3rd floor and we saw no further signs.

By the way this building is across the street from the hospital that my wife goes too. The hospital has a no guns sign on every door to this big hospital but no 30.06.

"...would probably get you a ride ...".....no more reason to expect that from a non-enforceable sign than to expect a traffic ticket because you ignore a 15-MPH sign written on a coffee can lid in yellow crayon...they have to post as the law directs them before you can be guilty of breaking the law...and the police don't run taxi service...

[johnson0317]

It will get you a ride if the responding officer is not familiar enough with the law to understand that the sign was not valid. Neither of the hospitals I work at are correctly posted, but I have no doubt they think they are. Whether or not I can convince the responding officer to read the PC 30.06 off of my phone might spell the difference between taking the ride or not. Initially, it does not matter what you think is legal, it matters what the LEO thinks is legal, right or wrong. The court gets to sort out the details.

RJ

[speedsix]

It will get you a ride if the responding officer is not familiar enough with the law to understand that the sign was not valid. Neither of the hospitals I work at are correctly posted, but I have no doubt they think they are. Whether or not I can convince the responding officer to read the PC 30.06 off of my phone might spell the difference between taking the ride or not. Initially, it does not matter what you think is legal, it matters what the LEO thinks is legal, right or wrong. The court gets to sort out the details.



RJ

...even if you had a copy of the Texas Penal Code in your pocket...it's foolish to think they'd stop to read it for themselves...the answer for an officer who didn't know the law, but was willing to arrest me when I wasn't breaking it, would not be settled in criminal court...but in a civil suit...they've been used to inspire re-education of officers in jurisdictions all across the country...I wouldn't try to prove it to the officer who started to arrest me...but I'd tell him at this point, I'll settle for you taking the cuffs off and apologizing...if you take me to the station...I will file a suit...if that didn't make him call his supervisor(who is hopefully aware of the law)...let the chips fall where they may...we must know the details of the law...so must the one who accuses us of having broken it...

...in 99.9% of cases...if one is carrying concealed properly, the argument will never come up...I've carried since I was 14, and NOONE has ever spotted my CONCEALED handgun...