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MoJo wrote:

glbedd53 wrote:Just get a Sig and it won't happen in the first place.

Ummmmmm that's like saying buy brand X automobiles or trucks and you won't break down. Anything mechanical can be fouled up by incompetent users even Glocks, SIGs, Colts, Berettas, Smith and Wessons, Kimbers, Springfielsd and especially Hi Points!

This is a true statement.

When I shot to qualify I used my G19. One of the folks in my class was making fun of my "plastic" gun during the classroom portion. He had either a ruger or s&w, I believe, but he kept telling me that I need to get rid of my toy gun and get a real metal gun. I was like whatever, I've had no issues with this gun...EVER (kept that to myself). Anyways, we get to the range and start shooting...lo and behold, his gun jammed ever other round. He ended up failing the first go around. He had to run out and rent a gun from the store and buy some more ammo (he declined to use my glock) He passed the 2nd time using a Sig (which are also good guns)

Just made me laugh. He said nothing about my glock the rest of that long day.

we were just watching this at the office the other day for umpteenth time. It's a good video.

There's some good funny quotes in here too.

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If there is a serious concern about FTF or FTE with a particular gun, it might be best to practice/test a bit with it before having to take the proficiency test. If it runs reasonably well in the practice/test session, you should be good to go but you might want to clean and lube it before taking the test.

I agree.
And if failures happen with any frequency while practising I'd fix the gun before the class, especially if it will
be your carry gun.

I think your sweating too much. Just go out and practice with your gun, besides it would be a good idea if it's going to be your daily carry.

texanron wrote:Option #1: Quaily with a Glock and you wont have to worry about FTE or FTF.
Option #2: Pack 150 rounds just in case you have to take test again.

Good Luck!

...tain't necessarily so!!! the last two times I requalified, SEVERAL had FTE...I had three or four the last time...they just walk up and "wipe" the stovepiped brass out and say "finish shooting"...when all have finished, we go on...range provided for all shooters Glock 17 and 19...rangemaster ordered us ahead of time if we had a malfunction...keep muzzle downrange and raise our free hand...

I wonder about the theory that brand X doesn't need cleaning. seems as though its a good idea to disassemble a gun and inspect it after every use. I suppose that some folks just don't enjoy the process as much some of us do. Easily understandable because I can't explain why I enjoy dissembly , cleaning and inspection.

seems as though its a good idea to disassemble a gun and inspect it after every use.

From a practical standpoint, it is not always possible or easy to disassemble, clean and inspect after each use (at least not immediately after). Thorough cleaning and inspection can allow you to be forewarned of some impending issues, particularly if you notice significant wear on sliding or bearing surfaces. You might also notice cracks in frames, forcing cones, etc... before they let loose catastrophically. Fortunately, with quality arms the vast majority of us aren't likely to ever see such issues with our guns, but these issues do still occur.

speedsix wrote:

texanron wrote:Option #1: Quaily with a Glock and you wont have to worry about FTE or FTF.
Option #2: Pack 150 rounds just in case you have to take test again.

Good Luck!

...tain't necessarily so!!! the last two times I requalified, SEVERAL had FTE...I had three or four the last time...they just walk up and "wipe" the stovepiped brass out and say "finish shooting"...when all have finished, we go on...range provided for all shooters Glock 17 and 19...rangemaster ordered us ahead of time if we had a malfunction...keep muzzle downrange and raise our free hand...

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ghostrider wrote:I agree.
And if failures happen with any frequency while practising I'd fix the gun before the class, especially if it will
be your carry gun.

You can say that again!

No hole in target, no points. FTF or FTE... if it happens, safely clear it and put holes in paper before time runs out. If your qualification rides on one or two failed shots... you need practice.

Sometimes students will have malfunctions and i'll just tell them to load 6 rounds for the next string of fire and just fire all six. If they're a jerk about it and act like it's my fault, well they can just lose the points.

As far as the brand loyalty coming out in spades or whatever.........i know most of you are good guys and are enthusiasts, but there is no replacement for constant time on the range and seeing what works and what doesn't. I can appreciate other brand names and models, but whether everyone wants to admit it or not, Glock is unstoppable. We literally go through thousands upon thousands of rounds on our rental guns. Sigs, HK, Kahr, Springfield (xd's and 1911's), Kimbers, S&W all fall to the wayside when it comes to absolute bare bones durability and reliability. Minimal cleaning, sparse lube, and beginner shooters beating the crap out of these guns leave Glock on the top of the food chain constantly. I have had damn near every one of our non-Glock guns go down regularly. The Sig's refuse to lock back on the last round after about 6 months of use (no, the mags don't stay loaded). The HK's are just plain junk, their triggers get crunchy and sloppy and they lose their single-action capabilities. Our Springfield EMP 9mm has only been on the rental wall for about a month and a half and it already has feeding issues (i.e. bolt-over-brass). I have had ONE Glock go down...one time. It was one of our G17's that has been on the wall since 2009 and probably seen over 100,000 rounds easily. The trigger spring broke at the 'hook' part. I took a pair of needle-nose pliers and bent out the end of the broken part, and hooked it around the hole it's supposed to hang on to. Never had a problem since. No, Glock is not the end-all-be-all. One day my G22 and G27 will break and rot themselves out of existence. the difference is that i won't live to see that day ;)

Moral of the story, if you're worried about a weapon malfunctioning during a TEST......i would throw the gun right out the window and forget about it. There's no way you'll ever be able to carry that weapon with peace of mind. My personal, humble opinion would be to get a Glock and treat it right and you'll never have a problem as long as you own it.

beefmobile wrote:Sometimes students will have malfunctions and i'll just tell them to load 6 rounds for the next string of fire and just fire all six. If they're a jerk about it and act like it's my fault, well they can just lose the points.

As far as the brand loyalty coming out in spades or whatever.........i know most of you are good guys and are enthusiasts, but there is no replacement for constant time on the range and seeing what works and what doesn't. I can appreciate other brand names and models, but whether everyone wants to admit it or not, Glock is unstoppable. We literally go through thousands upon thousands of rounds on our rental guns. Sigs, HK, Kahr, Springfield (xd's and 1911's), Kimbers, S&W all fall to the wayside when it comes to absolute bare bones durability and reliability. Minimal cleaning, sparse lube, and beginner shooters beating the crap out of these guns leave Glock on the top of the food chain constantly. I have had darn near every one of our non-Glock guns go down regularly. The Sig's refuse to lock back on the last round after about 6 months of use (no, the mags don't stay loaded). The HK's are just plain junk, their triggers get crunchy and sloppy and they lose their single-action capabilities. Our Springfield EMP 9mm has only been on the rental wall for about a month and a half and it already has feeding issues (i.e. bolt-over-brass). I have had ONE Glock go down...one time. It was one of our G17's that has been on the wall since 2009 and probably seen over 100,000 rounds easily. The trigger spring broke at the 'hook' part. I took a pair of needle-nose pliers and bent out the end of the broken part, and hooked it around the hole it's supposed to hang on to. Never had a problem since. No, Glock is not the end-all-be-all. One day my G22 and G27 will break and rot themselves out of existence. the difference is that i won't live to see that day ;)

Moral of the story, if you're worried about a weapon malfunctioning during a TEST......i would throw the gun right out the window and forget about it. There's no way you'll ever be able to carry that weapon with peace of mind. My personal, humble opinion would be to get a Glock and treat it right and you'll never have a problem as long as you own it.

...while I respect your opining about how wonderful your experiences with Glocks have been, my experience with the Glock 22 I owned personally and sold to my brother, having since seen him have FTF and FTE, plus my experience and that of others during three different qualifying experiences belie your "Glock is unstoppable" comment...the last requal string of shooters I was with had 4 or 5 different shooters experiencing FTE(with different guns*)...and I had several of them...we were the first shooters of the day...the weapons were clean...ANY machine can/will malfunction...EVEN a SIG...which I think is the Cadillac of SA handguns...can and will have problems...my old Daddy often told me "NEVER say NEVER"... I'd say Glocks are USUALLY reliable, if taken good care of...(and I'll bet you and I both know what CLEAN means with a weapon)...Semper Fi!!!

*how could I have been so remiss as to fail to say that all shooters in these groups I was a part of were firing range-supplied Glock 9mms...none were weapons of another make...not even classy Sigs...

speedsix wrote:

beefmobile wrote:Sometimes students will have malfunctions and i'll just tell them to load 6 rounds for the next string of fire and just fire all six. If they're a jerk about it and act like it's my fault, well they can just lose the points.

As far as the brand loyalty coming out in spades or whatever.........i know most of you are good guys and are enthusiasts, but there is no replacement for constant time on the range and seeing what works and what doesn't. I can appreciate other brand names and models, but whether everyone wants to admit it or not, Glock is unstoppable. We literally go through thousands upon thousands of rounds on our rental guns. Sigs, HK, Kahr, Springfield (xd's and 1911's), Kimbers, S&W all fall to the wayside when it comes to absolute bare bones durability and reliability. Minimal cleaning, sparse lube, and beginner shooters beating the crap out of these guns leave Glock on the top of the food chain constantly. I have had darn near every one of our non-Glock guns go down regularly. The Sig's refuse to lock back on the last round after about 6 months of use (no, the mags don't stay loaded). The HK's are just plain junk, their triggers get crunchy and sloppy and they lose their single-action capabilities. Our Springfield EMP 9mm has only been on the rental wall for about a month and a half and it already has feeding issues (i.e. bolt-over-brass). I have had ONE Glock go down...one time. It was one of our G17's that has been on the wall since 2009 and probably seen over 100,000 rounds easily. The trigger spring broke at the 'hook' part. I took a pair of needle-nose pliers and bent out the end of the broken part, and hooked it around the hole it's supposed to hang on to. Never had a problem since. No, Glock is not the end-all-be-all. One day my G22 and G27 will break and rot themselves out of existence. the difference is that i won't live to see that day ;)

Moral of the story, if you're worried about a weapon malfunctioning during a TEST......i would throw the gun right out the window and forget about it. There's no way you'll ever be able to carry that weapon with peace of mind. My personal, humble opinion would be to get a Glock and treat it right and you'll never have a problem as long as you own it.

...while I respect your opining about how wonderful your experiences with Glocks have been, my experience with the Glock 22 I owned personally and sold to my brother, having since seen him have FTF and FTE, plus my experience and that of others during three different qualifying experiences belie your "Glock is unstoppable" comment...the last requal string of shooters I was with had 4 or 5 different shooters experiencing FTE(with different guns)...and I had several of them...we were the first shooters of the day...the weapons were clean...ANY machine can/will malfunction...EVEN a SIG...which I think is the Cadillac of SA handguns...can and will have problems...my old Daddy often told me "NEVER say NEVER"... I'd say Glocks are USUALLY reliable, if taken good care of...(and I'll bet you and I both know what CLEAN means with a weapon)...Semper Fi!!!

heck, i'd love to have this Glock 22 you say is unreliable. I have a Gen. 3 Glock 22 that i bought as a Police Department trade in a few years back. it was scratched and beat up, with an unknown round count. Since then, i've ran over it several times, thrown it off of my balcony, dropped it in mud puddles, frozen it, shot the Sam Hell out of it, and i have NEVER, ever NEVER ever had a malfunction. No FTE, FTF, nothing. I use it as home defense, my competition gun, duty carry, CCW, and occasionally as a hammer. Sigs are very nice guns. but i don't rely on 'nice' or 'Cadillac's to get a job done.

Semper Fidelis to you, too.

No excuses. Your gun is your responsility to keep running, whether it was made by Swiss watchmakers or Pakistani farriers.

...well, personally, I'd sell that 22 to you, if I still owned it, but my brother's kinda funny, he wouldn't sell a gun to someone who took such poor care of the one he already has
...that's OK about you loving Glocks, though, the Glock elves have to feed their kids, too...

...I had to go back and edit my other post...left out something important...
...I'm not the least bit snotty about Glocks...I'd stand beside one in a fight any day...but I'd hafta stand on his left, you know...a round blew out on an unsupported barrel on my Glock 22 when my son was firing it...and I'm just not comfortable around em, since...