Farm Chores for Kids to be banned by Federal Fiat

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This has nothing to do with chores... it has to do with child labor. Children who work chores on family farms and ranches are exempt.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/CL/NPRM_FAQs.htm#PR_2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
‎"Question: How does the proposed rule affect what children can do on their parent’s farm?

The proposed rule in no way compromises the statutory child labor parental exemptions involving children working on farms owned or operated by their parents. The statutory exemptions do not apply to workers who are not the children of the owner or operator of the farm. A parent of a hired farm worker cannot waive the child labor provisions for his or her own child when the child is employed on a farm not owned or operated by his or her parent."
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pbwalker wrote:This has nothing to do with chores... it has to do with child labor. Children who work chores on family farms and ranches are exempt.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/CL/NPRM_FAQs.htm#PR_2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
‎"Question: How does the proposed rule affect what children can do on their parent’s farm?

The proposed rule in no way compromises the statutory child labor parental exemptions involving children working on farms owned or operated by their parents. The statutory exemptions do not apply to workers who are not the children of the owner or operator of the farm. A parent of a hired farm worker cannot waive the child labor provisions for his or her own child when the child is employed on a farm not owned or operated by his or her parent."
/just saying'

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Still an issue for his nephews who worked on the farm with him. Unless their Dad was farming too, then they couldn't work there, even though they live on the farm and their Grandpa was still part owner.

No matter, it is another government plot to meddle in peoples business that has ran fine for 250 years.
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Keith B wrote:
No matter, it is another government plot to meddle in peoples business that has ran fine for 250 years.
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pbwalker wrote:This has nothing to do with chores... it has to do with child labor. Children who work chores on family farms and ranches are exempt.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/CL/NPRM_FAQs.htm#PR_2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
‎"Question: How does the proposed rule affect what children can do on their parent’s farm?

The proposed rule in no way compromises the statutory child labor parental exemptions involving children working on farms owned or operated by their parents. The statutory exemptions do not apply to workers who are not the children of the owner or operator of the farm. A parent of a hired farm worker cannot waive the child labor provisions for his or her own child when the child is employed on a farm not owned or operated by his or her parent."
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Well, I personally don't know, and I've only the article and the link you provided to go by. But in addition to what Keith says, how is it any of the government's business if I want my children to work on their Aunt's farm, or their Grandparent's farm? So if their Uncle dies, my kids can't go help their Aunt on the farm, or help Grandma after Grandpa breaks his leg? Conceptually, that serves the leftist agenda to weaken the family structure. This quote from Senator Moran hits on what this proposal does: it regulates family relationships and prohibits certain choices parents may make for their children. As Senator Moran suggests, if they can regulate these choices, they why can't the government prohibit parents from making children help around the house, or requiring a child to work to earn something they want....like a computer or a bicycle?
“And in my view, if the federal government can regulate the kind of relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm, there is almost nothing off-limits in which we see the federal government intruding in a way of life.”

and this quote about what has already been happening.....
She claimed farmers could soon find The Labor Department’s Wage and Hour Division inspectors on their land, citing them for violations.

“In the last three years that division has grown 30 to 40 percent,” Boswell said. Some Farm Bureau members, she added, have had inspectors on their land checking on conditions for migrant workers, only to be cited for allowing their own children to perform chores that the Labor Department didn’t think were age-appropriate.
The US Dept. of Labor says this:
Under the Obama Administration, WHD has hired more than 300 new investigators and systematically expanded its enforcement and compliance assistance programs in agriculture to continually increase visibility in the agriculture industry in an effort to increase awareness of and compliance with the laws applicable to the industry.
That seems to support the claim made in the article about inspectors citing farmers. And of course, this is Obama's Labor Dept., as the website makes clear, so why should we believe everything they say?
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I could see it now. If I were the next president after the Obamanation I would go through at least a box of Executive Orders and pens in the first day.
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pbwalker wrote:
Keith B wrote:
No matter, it is another government plot to meddle in peoples business that has ran fine for 250 years.
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VMI77 wrote:
74novaman wrote:A great example of stupidity in regulation and govt, but I have to be honest....I think family farms will just ignore it.

Heck, I remember being 13 or so, working on the farm with my dad. If he needed to keep working but had to go pick up a part, guess who was driving the 20 miles to the parts store? ;-)

He always told me "If you get pulled over, just have the cop call me." Never did get pulled over. Sometimes in farming, getting stuff done outweighs following stupid laws.

They may, and most may even get away with it....however, another pernicious aspect of this rule by fiat is that "inspectors" will be "visiting" farms looking for violations --IOW, this "regulation" is effectively an end-run around the 4th Amendment.
You mean like this?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ilk/print/

The bureaucracy is big enough now to "visit" just about any place they want to. It is remarkable that the immigration teams aren't large enough to handle the workload but that they can monitor American family farms for "violators". I know the solution......never mind.... :evil2:
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Is this limited to farms? What if I don't have a farm, but I do have 1, 20, 30, or 100 acres and my kid operates a riding tractor to help mow the yard or whatever? Can they restrict me from having my kid use my riding tractor?
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C-dub wrote:Is this limited to farms? What if I don't have a farm, but I do have 1, 20, 30, or 100 acres and my kid operates a riding tractor to help mow the yard or whatever? Can they restrict me from having my kid use my riding tractor?
Well, depends on the exact wording of the part about machines with power take off drives I'd guess...and what they consider work, and what the definition of is, is...but hey, all praise be to Karl Marx, may his beard of forced sharing increase! :roll:
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Keith B wrote:I have a Brother-In-Law that is a commercial crop farmer. He farms about 4000 acres of mainly rice, soybeans and occasionally corn or wheat. His sons have worked the farm since they were little kids barely able to help load things or help Dad and Grandpa work on the machinery. The first word the oldest one said was 'bombine' (combine). He spent 4 years in college and came out with a Master's in Agriculture. His youngest brother is a senior in high school and heading off for his Ag degree also. They both straited driving the tractors and other equipment by themselves around 12 years old. They can tell you more about farming than any politician or half of the County Extension Agent's out there. They have been destined to be farmers their whole lives, and it is what they want to be. It's part of their life because it has always been a family thing, all the way back to their Great-Great Grandfather.

For Government to stick their nose into this is just asinine. Like always, they think they know whats best for everyone. Hey, government, what are you gonna do when the cost of all the commodities and futures goes out of sight and no on can afford food because it is too costly to buy from the farmer because he can't use his built in labor to help do meanial chores? What are you going to do when the farms can no longer run because their kids (strike) can't (insert (are not allowed by law to))learn to take over the family business? Yeah, this is really gonna be great. Just another case of 'We're from the Government and we're here to help.' :banghead:
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/I think I'm having a dream...................

Once the family farms across America start to fail, the Fed will come in and use Commerce Clause to take over all of the farm land. A new Czar will be appointed--the Socialist Livestock, Agriculture, and Poultry Czar. The SLAP Czar will have unlimited control of all food produced. The take over will include tossing Mom and Dad off the farm and bringing in the International Farm Union for all the labor. The International Farm Union will insist that only organic and Green practices will be adhered to. To insure that the Green practice is followed, the International Farm Union will go on strike and insists that all food produced by their union can only be sold in Green stores. The SLAP Czar caves and just about every Mom and Pop grocery store in the country is forced to close their doors in order to avoid complying with costly Green regulations. Once control of the final distribution point is seized, the Green Policy will apply to all items sold including imported food. This requirement is not welcomed with our trade partners and they take their case to the UN. The UN rushes in and save the day........................

Did someone say the Labor Department wants to outlaw farm chores?
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The original article quoted referenced a news release from the Department of Labor, but provided no link. I searched their numerous press releases and found one from the first week of February ( http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/whd/WHD20120203.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) that would apparently encourage farm families to use their children for labor, but found nothing, certainly not in April, that would suggest the contrary from the DOL. Everyone is cussing at the government, but it is predicated upon a potentially bogus news article. Anyone have a reference to the original news release? If not we should assume that the 'news article' was no more than a flame. Always verify the source.
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gdanaher wrote:The original article quoted referenced a news release from the Department of Labor, but provided no link. I searched their numerous press releases and found one from the first week of February ( http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/whd/WHD20120203.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) that would apparently encourage farm families to use their children for labor, but found nothing, certainly not in April, that would suggest the contrary from the DOL. Everyone is cussing at the government, but it is predicated upon a potentially bogus news article. Anyone have a reference to the original news release? If not we should assume that the 'news article' was no more than a flame. Always verify the source.

Pbwalker already provided the link to the DOL site discussing this regulation......up above....on the previous page now I think. I quoted from it in a previous post.

Here it is again: http://www.dol.gov/whd/CL/NPRM_FAQs.htm#PR_2
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No, that doesn't do it. The OP referenced an internet article here: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural ... rm-chores/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

which quotes an unidentified memo, quoting "Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

Your reference here: http://www.dol.gov/whd/CL/NPRM_FAQs.htm#PR_2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; makes no mention of the colored text, and the gist of the news release does not support the news article. I still think the article from The Daily Caller is bogus and unsupported. Personally, I'd be POed if I had gone to all the trouble to make a truck load of kids and then someone told me I couldn't make them earn their keep, but in this case, I think someone wrote an article with the intent to inflame.....
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gdanaher wrote:No, that doesn't do it. The OP referenced an internet article here: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/rural ... rm-chores/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

which quotes an unidentified memo, quoting "Under the rules, children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

Your reference here: http://www.dol.gov/whd/CL/NPRM_FAQs.htm#PR_2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; makes no mention of the colored text, and the gist of the news release does not support the news article. I still think the article from The Daily Caller is bogus and unsupported. Personally, I'd be POed if I had gone to all the trouble to make a truck load of kids and then someone told me I couldn't make them earn their keep, but in this case, I think someone wrote an article with the intent to inflame.....
Not an unidentified memo http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/whd/WHD20111250.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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