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Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:26 pm
by mamabearCali
Having been a victim of sexual assault myself (as a child) I can say with time, love, counseling, and more love she can come out restored. It actually might help that her dad defended her and that the person who assaulted her paid a heavy price. Help her to know it was not her fault and it was not okay!
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:29 pm
by thenick_ttu
WildBill wrote:Skiprr wrote:The tragedy we can't overlook, though, is that the justice meted out can't change what the little girl suffered.
The little girl will suffer from both the trauma of the original attack and having her father kill the attacker.
That's what I was thinking. Not that I disagree with what the dad did (I would have done the same thing) but, asside from getting assualted, that little girl (presumably) saw her father beat a man to death. Gonna be tough to deal with that emotionally.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:48 pm
by knotquiteawake
Jumping Frog wrote:mamabearCali wrote:I hope he is not prosecuted.
Seeing as sexual assault is specifically listed as one of the crimes where deadly force is presumed justified, it would be hard to see this getting charged.
PC §9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A
person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
I had just been reading about this incident elsewhere on the internet and came here to find exactly that answer. Had I been in that fathers shoes I would have taken whatever steps were necessary to STOP the threat to my daughter as quickly as possible as well. Can't say I would be intending to kill him, depends on the situation I'm sure, I sure as heck would putting a stop to it though. I am glad to hear that the father will be covered by the law in his use of deadly force on that creep.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:24 am
by Target1911
Very sad for girl and Dad. I'm glad the scumbag will never hurt another.
I have a 4yo girl myself.....and 14&15 teen girls too. The attacker would have had the same end result.
My 4yo (almost 5) often asks me, as innocent and curious as she is, daddy, what would you do if someone hurts me bad? Would you shoot them or hurt them bad too? (me.... Yes I do what is needed to protect and keep you safe. Then she gives me a deep hug and tells me how much she loves me.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:10 am
by psijac
Guns don't kill people, fathers with daughters do
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:07 am
by Beiruty
Any actor attempting to rape or sexually assault, anyone of my family member, comprising of 1 wife, 1 son, 1 daughter would countered with swift "mummification" of the said actor. Means and ways of "Mummification" are classified.
In the case of the reported dad, simply, he merely did "crack the melon" of said attacker.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:04 am
by stealthfightrf17
This in my opiion is the most tragic of all crimes that can be commited, I deserves much more then the current law gives. I am not judge or jury, but God help a person if I walk in on them commeting this crime.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:03 am
by C-dub
knotquiteawake wrote:I had just been reading about this incident elsewhere on the internet and came here to find exactly that answer. Had I been in that fathers shoes I would have taken whatever steps were necessary to STOP the threat to my daughter as quickly as possible as well. Can't say I would be intending to kill him, depends on the situation I'm sure, I sure as heck would putting a stop to it though. I am glad to hear that the father will be covered by the law in his use of deadly force on that creep.
From multiple articles, it doesn't appear that the father intended to kill the guy and friends, family, and the sheriff say he's been very remorseful.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:14 am
by knotquiteawake
C-dub wrote:knotquiteawake wrote:I had just been reading about this incident elsewhere on the internet and came here to find exactly that answer. Had I been in that fathers shoes I would have taken whatever steps were necessary to STOP the threat to my daughter as quickly as possible as well. Can't say I would be intending to kill him, depends on the situation I'm sure, I sure as heck would putting a stop to it though. I am glad to hear that the father will be covered by the law in his use of deadly force on that creep.
From multiple articles, it doesn't appear that the father intended to kill the guy and friends, family, and the sheriff say he's been very remorseful.
I would assume this will be key for hid defense if he needs one. The prosecution will likely try to make it sound like an honor killing or a revenge killing.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:41 am
by ShepherdTX
It irks me though that the article lists the pedophile as the "victim." No, you no nothings (speaking to the media), it is the daughter that was the victim and the father that is the hero for stopping the assault on his daughter. I hope he is not prosecuted.
Totally off on a tangent here but I thought this was interesting from a news reporting perspective.
I was just in the middle of sending this link to a friend and was also going to mention about the use of "victim" which I know was there since it was copied and pasted into my message. However there was an error as I was sending and I had to reload the news link. When it refreshed, "victim" was gone and it is currently replaced by the more accurate term of, "deceased".
Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon identified the deceased as a 47-year-old man from Gonzales, Texas
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:48 am
by Keith B
ShepherdTX wrote:Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon identified the scumbag as a 47-year-old man from Gonzales, Texas
There, I fixed it even better.
I am sure the father was just doing what he had to do to stop the attack. In stopping the attacker, it just so happened to end his life. Unfortunately that is a possiblity that exists and the attacker paid for his bad deeds.
I really feel for the whole family of the girl on this one. There is a lot of trauma and post event physical and emotional issues that they will have to deal with from many angles. Hopefully they have a strong support system within the friends, family and community that will help them get back on a regular path for their lives soon.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:16 am
by speedsix
...the one thing that hurts an abused child more than the abuse is if her family or part of it knows it's going on, and doesn't protect her...she's set up for healing better than a lot I've known...her Daddy showed her how precious she is...
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:26 am
by Pawpaw
Keith B wrote:ShepherdTX wrote:Lavaca County Sheriff Micah Harmon identified the deceased scumbag as a 47-year-old man from Gonzales, Texas
There, I fixed it even better.
I fixed it best!

Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:42 pm
by philip964
Jumping Frog wrote:mamabearCali wrote:I hope he is not prosecuted.
Seeing as sexual assault is specifically listed as one of the crimes where deadly force is presumed justified, it would be hard to see this getting charged.
PC §9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A
person is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
CNN was trying to get him charged today.
Re: TX Dad defends daughter (4)
Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:28 pm
by knotquiteawake
I think its possible he will get charged if the following is true:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/he-got- ... -to-death/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
After pulling the attacker off of her, the father repeatedly struck the man in the head.
If he pulled the man off his daughter then at that point the assault has been stopped. To then beat the man in the head to death looks more like vengeful homicide. Once the crime is no longer in progress I think he would not be covered by the law anymore. If he pulled the man off his daughter how then is deadly force necessary? The crime has been stopped.
What do you guys think? If I were the prosecutor that is the direction I would go with it.