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Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:58 am
by Heartland Patriot
The Annoyed Man wrote:JP171 wrote:When James Holmes decided to go on his murderous rampage, he choose the one Colorado city with the most restrictive gun laws in the state.
Colorado is a shall-issue conceal-carry state. However, city councilmen have banned concealed carry in 13 Colorado cities.
These are the13 Colorado cities that ban concealed carry:
Aurora, Boulder, Broomfield, Colorado Springs, Denver, Englewood, Lakewood, Littleton, Longmont, Northglenn, Pueblo, Thornton, Westminster, Wheat Ridge
And only one city in the entire state has banned having a loaded gun in your car:
That city is Aurora.
So, Colorado may have what some call lax gun laws, but in this case the bad guy made sure he picked the ONE CITY in all of Colorado where he could be almost 100-percent sure that he would not be faced by a good guy permitted to carry a concealed weapon who could have brought him down. All that these heavy gun laws do is keep the guns in the hands of the bad guys and out of the hands of the good ones. Something to think about.
Doesn't Colorado have state preemption?
I believe it does indeed have pre-emption. However, from what I gathered looking around at the 'Net last night, those towns are still very gun-UN-friendly and those ordinances are indicative of that attitude, enforceable or not.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:02 am
by E.Marquez
A search of Denver City ordinances ( I still have family and friends there so started my search with that city)
Shows that the most recent ordinance passed on concealed carry
http://www.denvergov.org/web/candr/City ... 469ord.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Affirms the right to carry concealed as long as you are licensed to do so... as best as I can understand the document anyway.
I could find no ordinances that forbid concealed carry..for the city of Denver.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:11 am
by E.Marquez
Nor did I find any such city ordinance in Aurora
http://library.municode.com/showDocumen ... d=&docID=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Again, the City ordnance seems to affirm the legal carry of a concealed firearm when properly licensed.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:18 am
by 77346
Not that I disbelieve you, but I want to post this to FB...and there are a few non-believers out there who will say it, so I'll cut them off: what is the source for this info? That way, I can post a link and shut them up before they even start running their yaps...thanks in advance...and I'm NOT surprised in the least.
Here's a couple of links:
http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (this site is pro gun control and claims a 12+ cities, including Aurora, have CCW bans)
However, at this link it seems to contradict itself:
http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/Col-state.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
May police limit carrying concealed handguns? No
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's? No
Colorado - State law prohibits local governments from enacting sensible gun laws, even though the state's gun laws are weak and make it easy for criminals and children to get guns. In 2003, the state preempted local laws and overturned existing local laws in several cities, some of those cities are pursuing legal action to reinstate the local laws.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:21 am
by AEA
Good work Alex!
http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:25 am
by RPB
Though the page was updated 2012, every link I click on there under Instructions for Obtaining a Concealed Handgun Permit gives a 404 error page not found; I figured their info packet might be like ours with laws etc
Colorado.gov
http://www.colorado.gov/google-search-r ... FORID%3A10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:21 am
by sjfcontrol
77346 wrote:Not that I disbelieve you, but I want to post this to FB...and there are a few non-believers out there who will say it, so I'll cut them off: what is the source for this info? That way, I can post a link and shut them up before they even start running their yaps...thanks in advance...and I'm NOT surprised in the least.
Here's a couple of links:
http://
www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm (this site is pro gun control and claims a 12+ cities, including Aurora, have CCW bans)
However, at this link it seems to contradict itself:
http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/Col-state.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
May police limit carrying concealed handguns? No
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's? No
Colorado - State law prohibits local governments from enacting sensible gun laws, even though the state's gun laws are weak and make it easy for criminals and children to get guns. In 2003, the state preempted local laws and overturned existing local laws in several cities, some of those cities are pursuing legal action to reinstate the local laws.
Obviously from an anti-gun site.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:43 am
by E.Marquez
It's a Brady campaign site.. Believe nothing you read there.. even if it supports your position.. They lie with zero morel confliction so long as it supports the Anti Gun agenda.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:46 am
by E.Marquez
RPB wrote:
Though the page was updated 2012, every link I click on there under Instructions for Obtaining a Concealed Handgun Permit gives a 404 error page not found; I figured their info packet might be like ours with laws etc
Colorado.gov
http://www.colorado.gov/google-search-r ... FORID%3A10" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
New page is located HERE
http://www.denvergov.org/police/PoliceD ... fault.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:24 am
by Heartland Patriot
Okay, so perusing that bill referenced on the Colorado state website, it seems that they USED to have a patchwork of laws. The former Republican governor signed a bill into law pre-empting all of that. However, is it possible that some of those towns are still anti-firearms? I'd say possible, but its NOT LEGAL for them to "run you in" if you simply carry concealed with the proper permit.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:30 am
by Jim Beaux
Heartland Patriot wrote:JP171 wrote:When James Holmes decided to go on his murderous rampage, he choose the one Colorado city with the most restrictive gun laws in the state.
Colorado is a shall-issue conceal-carry state. However, city councilmen have banned concealed carry in 13 Colorado cities.
These are the13 Colorado cities that ban concealed carry:
Aurora, Boulder, Broomfield, Colorado Springs, Denver, Englewood, Lakewood, Littleton, Longmont, Northglenn, Pueblo, Thornton, Westminster, Wheat Ridge
And only one city in the entire state has banned having a loaded gun in your car:
That city is Aurora.
So, Colorado may have what some call lax gun laws, but in this case the bad guy made sure he picked the ONE CITY in all of Colorado where he could be almost 100-percent sure that he would not be faced by a good guy permitted to carry a concealed weapon who could have brought him down. All that these heavy gun laws do is keep the guns in the hands of the bad guys and out of the hands of the good ones. Something to think about.
Not that I disbelieve you, but I want to post this to FB...and there are a few non-believers out there who will say it, so I'll cut them off: what is the source for this info? That way, I can post a link and shut them up before they even start running their yaps...thanks in advance...and I'm NOT surprised in the least.
Here is something you may want to post on FB:
There is so much obfuscation when it comes to the topic of gun ownership & crime; & google certainly tries its best to keep it that way. I havent checked the figures but they do seem to be consistent with what I have read.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:35 am
by 77346
bronco78 wrote:It's a Brady campaign site.. Believe nothing you read there..
yeah, I knew is was a pro-gun control site... just found it amusing how they contradict themselves on their own site.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:52 am
by LabRat
I've read the above responses and finds it confusing as I imagine any citizen would.
As far as the "gun control" issue is defined, isn't the theatre a co-hort in this mess?
Doesn't the theatre post "no weapons/no guns" type signage that has to be followed regardless of the local or state restrictions?
While governments intrusion into gun rights is generally on the heavy-handed side, the theatre has almost absolute power when it comes to regulating guns on their premises.
Yeah, I know about property rights, but with those rights comes responsibility....responsibility to provide an substitute, but equal level of protection?
That gunman knew there would be no possible way for anyone to fight back.....If he'd thought differently, we may not have this thread to comment on.
LabRat
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:38 pm
by 45 4 life
LabRat wrote:I've read the above responses and finds it confusing as I imagine any citizen would.
As far as the "gun control" issue is defined, isn't the theatre a co-hort in this mess?
Doesn't the theatre post "no weapons/no guns" type signage that has to be followed regardless of the local or state restrictions?
While governments intrusion into gun rights is generally on the heavy-handed side, the theatre has almost absolute power when it comes to regulating guns on their premises.
Yeah, I know about property rights, but with those rights comes responsibility....responsibility to provide an substitute, but equal level of protection?
That gunman knew there would be no possible way for anyone to fight back.....If he'd thought differently, we may not have this thread to comment on.
LabRat
There is no equal level of protection other than having multiple armed LEO / security in each theater. A few individuals leagally carrying on that night may or may not of made a difference, we will never know for sure. It would have been something to see if this guy had made his entrance and immeadiatly got lighted up with laser sites.
If one single life would have been saved by return fire, just one, or maybe one shooting surviver not have to go through the mending process. Thats what the cities, business owners, and anti's should be asking themselves today.
Re: Gun control legislation unlikely in wake of Colorado sho
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:18 pm
by v-rog
Probably already have seen this:
