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Scott in Houston wrote:I came here to post this story too...

In the link i have, there is a witness who said the man who was shot was not doing anything to threaten the lady in the car.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?secti ... id=8813201" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The witness says he would have seen or heard any rage or threats that the man would have shown to her.

Something seems fishy about that witness, unless the other two contradictory reports are wrong. Maybe someone with an agenda --flaming anti-self-defense liberal perhaps?

Did you notice in that link that they labeled the 20 year old that got shot as the "victim"? If he is truly a "victim" does that mean she had no right to shoot him? I think ABC is trying to put their anti-gun slant in play on this one.

I'd be interested to see how this plays out as well. We don't have all of the facts yet.

Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him. Maybe he was "enraged" that she refused to stop at the scene of the crime. I'd like to hear more information, and/or see video from the gas station. There was another witness in the shootee's vehicle. Why has that person not been interviewed yet? What is their side of the story? Why don't we hear from that person? Has anyone looked up the shootee's Facebook page to see the comments yet from friends, family, and potentially the other person that was in his car with him?

Kawabuggy wrote:Did you notice in that link that they labeled the 20 year old that got shot as the "victim"? If he is truly a "victim" does that mean she had no right to shoot him? I think ABC is trying to put their anti-gun slant in play on this one.

I'd be interested to see how this plays out as well. We don't have all of the facts yet.

Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him. Maybe he was "enraged" that she refused to stop at the scene of the crime. I'd like to hear more information, and/or see video from the gas station. There was another witness in the shootee's vehicle. Why has that person not been interviewed yet? What is their side of the story? Why don't we hear from that person? Has anyone looked up the shootee's Facebook page to see the comments yet from friends, family, and potentially the other person that was in his car with him?

Don't know who anyone is as they have not released names, so how do you look up their Facebook page. And they DID interview the other person. What article are you reading?

I see that the car has shattered window, supposedly from him hitting it when he went to try and get into it. Then he opened the door and she shot him. Here is a different spin on the event from the local Fox affiliate. http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/19566 ... fire-death" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That Fox report also mentioned that the investigators at the scene reviewed video before deciding to send her home. I wonder how long it will be before the video makes it to YouTube.

Keith B wrote:

Kawabuggy wrote:Did you notice in that link that they labeled the 20 year old that got shot as the "victim"? If he is truly a "victim" does that mean she had no right to shoot him? I think ABC is trying to put their anti-gun slant in play on this one.

I'd be interested to see how this plays out as well. We don't have all of the facts yet.

Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him. Maybe he was "enraged" that she refused to stop at the scene of the crime. I'd like to hear more information, and/or see video from the gas station. There was another witness in the shootee's vehicle. Why has that person not been interviewed yet? What is their side of the story? Why don't we hear from that person? Has anyone looked up the shootee's Facebook page to see the comments yet from friends, family, and potentially the other person that was in his car with him?

Don't know who anyone is as they have not released names, so how do you look up their Facebook page. And they DID interview the other person. What article are you reading?

I see that the car has shattered window, supposedly from him hitting it when he went to try and get into it. Then he opened the door and she shot him. Here is a different spin on the event from the local Fox affiliate. http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/19566 ... fire-death" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unless there is some prior relationship between parties the notion that a working mother with a CHL would just pull a gun and shoot someone after purposefully driving to a place where there would be witnesses, and probably cameras, makes no sense --and in my view is extremely unlikely. There are four versions out there....three sound essentially the same, one sounds completely different, and is, in my mind at least, suspicious. From the Fox report, it appears that the CHL holder is an African American woman. None of the accounts gives the race of the guy who was shot. This makes me wonder if the witness who "didn't hear or see anything" is Caucasian and has a racial motive for his "testimony," and if the guy shot was Caucasian.

It doesn't make a bit of difference to me why the guy who got shot was enraged. I see no reason why someone being attacked by a man in a rage should have to discern the proximate cause of his rage in order to defend themselves. Of course the media accounts may be wrong as we are all aware, but based on logic and the four media accounts referenced in this thread, it looks to me like the guy who got shot had it coming.

Just to be clear, I'm not siding with the guy that got shot. I was just offering another view at what might have transpired. That video posted on the Fox link explains it a lot better and it certainly looks like she was simply defending herself.

Let's hope that the Grand Jury gets to see any video footage captured at the scene, and decides to no-bill her for this. Regardless, there are no winners in this one.

Kawabuggy wrote:Did you notice in that link that they labeled the 20 year old that got shot as the "victim"? If he is truly a "victim" does that mean she had no right to shoot him? I think ABC is trying to put their anti-gun slant in play on this one.

I'd be interested to see how this plays out as well. We don't have all of the facts yet.

Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him. Maybe he was "enraged" that she refused to stop at the scene of the crime. I'd like to hear more information, and/or see video from the gas station. There was another witness in the shootee's vehicle. Why has that person not been interviewed yet? What is their side of the story? Why don't we hear from that person? Has anyone looked up the shootee's Facebook page to see the comments yet from friends, family, and potentially the other person that was in his car with him?

sounds like he was mad because she hit his truck, she was scared and drove someplace safer and he was enraged even more because she drove off and he confronted her at the GS and looks like she shot through the window. in my option unless he made entry into the vehicle she was never in danger! Just because someone beats on your car does not mean immanent death or dismemberment

She was a well-prepared woman - only 23, already had her CHL, her gun was at the ready, double-tapped
the attacker, what else can we compliment her on?

SIA

I am pretty sure she did not shoot through the window. It didn't look like it and someone on the Fox video (lawyer? pastor?) said he pounded on her window and then opened her door which was when she shot him. The deceased is caucasian.

barstoolguru wrote:

Kawabuggy wrote:Did you notice in that link that they labeled the 20 year old that got shot as the "victim"? If he is truly a "victim" does that mean she had no right to shoot him? I think ABC is trying to put their anti-gun slant in play on this one.

I'd be interested to see how this plays out as well. We don't have all of the facts yet.

Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him. Maybe he was "enraged" that she refused to stop at the scene of the crime. I'd like to hear more information, and/or see video from the gas station. There was another witness in the shootee's vehicle. Why has that person not been interviewed yet? What is their side of the story? Why don't we hear from that person? Has anyone looked up the shootee's Facebook page to see the comments yet from friends, family, and potentially the other person that was in his car with him?

sounds like he was mad because she hit his truck, she was scared and drove someplace safer and he was enraged even more because she drove off and he confronted her at the GS and looks like she shot through the window. in my option unless he made entry into the vehicle she was never in danger! Just because someone beats on your car does not mean immanent death or dismemberment

Really? You already conceded he was "enraged." If he was enraged because she drove off to a public place he was dangerous stupid. But who cares why some idiot is enraged and pounding on your window? An enraged idiot pounding on the window of a young woman is a threat. If you're married I suspect you wouldn't apply the same high thresholds of danger to your wife, and if you do, you may find yourself in a little danger or your own.

Kawabuggy wrote:Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him.

In the Fox video, the window is shattered but intact. There is no bullet hole visible in the shattered glass. Since the window was still fully closed, the shot must have occured through an open door.

In the video, her pastor says that she dialed 911, stayed on the phone with them and that the whole incident is recorded. Playing those recordings back is usually very quick and easy so I'd guess that occurred before she was released. If she was on the phone with 911 and the window was shattered by the guy, I'd also guess that sound of the glass breaking was recorded, too.

That 911 tape would be interesting to listen to.

Mike1951 wrote:

Kawabuggy wrote:Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him.

In the Fox video, the window is shattered but intact. There is no bullet hole visible in the shattered glass. Since the window was still fully closed, the shot must have occured through an open door.

"He was attempting to open (Scott's) car door while striking the driver's side window," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's deputy.

she shot through the glass. It is tempered glass and if pounding on it would have broken it; it would have shattered totally (nothing left in the door) and if tinted it would have been pushed in from him pounding on it (tint holds the glass in place )
on the second article it shows what looks to be a bullet hole in the upper left side of the window (1:09 mark) and might I add that all statments are maid by the pastor or her lawyer. one minute he is trying to het in and the next he opens the door, so what is it

barstoolguru wrote:

Mike1951 wrote:

Kawabuggy wrote:Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him.

In the Fox video, the window is shattered but intact. There is no bullet hole visible in the shattered glass. Since the window was still fully closed, the shot must have occured through an open door.

"He was attempting to open (Scott's) car door while striking the driver's side window," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's deputy.

she shot through the glass. It is tempered glass and if pounding on it would have broken it; it would have shattered totally (nothing left in the door) and if tinted it would have been pushed in from him pounding on it (tint holds the glass in place )

Then why is there no hole in the glass??

Mike1951 wrote:

barstoolguru wrote:

Mike1951 wrote:

Kawabuggy wrote:Here's a scenario-the shooter ran into the shootee, and then refused to stop to exchange information. The shootee follows her until she finally turns into a gas station. As he approaches her window-she draws a gun and shoots him.

In the Fox video, the window is shattered but intact. There is no bullet hole visible in the shattered glass. Since the window was still fully closed, the shot must have occured through an open door.

"He was attempting to open (Scott's) car door while striking the driver's side window," said Thomas Gilliland, a Harris County sheriff's deputy.

she shot through the glass. It is tempered glass and if pounding on it would have broken it; it would have shattered totally (nothing left in the door) and if tinted it would have been pushed in from him pounding on it (tint holds the glass in place )

Then why is there no hole in the glass??

second article with the video, on it at the 1:09 mark you can see what looks to be a hole along the trim. you can see it at 1:37 too
no one finds it funny that her lawyer and pastor are at the ctime scene and doing all the talking for her