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I moved here from CA to TX 3 years ago, I moved here to become Texan. Also, most Californians I know in both the north and south were conservative. Heck my dad has all kinds of guns! Its just the people in power that make the state such a liberal bastion.

knotquiteawake wrote:I moved here from CA to TX 3 years ago, I moved here to become Texan. Also, most Californians I know in both the north and south were conservative. Heck my dad has all kinds of guns! Its just the people in power that make the state such a liberal bastion.

Interesting. So it is either that all those Conservatives continue to vote for Liberal candidates or CA is like Chicago and NY where a "fair" election is related to the weather. Boxer and Feinstein are not electing themselves - or are they?

I worked in CA for a while and decided that it must be something in the water the causes the brain cells of the residents to loose all sense of logic and reason. Then the water spread to OR and Wash. State. I'm convinced that there is some of that contaminated water in Austin, too. There are too many of the them that add 2 plus 2 and come up with the answer "green".

chasfm11 wrote: Interesting. So it is either that all those Conservatives continue to vote for Liberal candidates or CA is like Chicago and NY where a "fair" election is related to the weather. Boxer and Feinstein are not electing themselves - or are they?

I worked in CA for a while and decided that it must be something in the water the causes the brain cells of the residents to loose all sense of logic and reason. Then the water spread to OR and Wash. State. I'm convinced that there is some of that contaminated water in Austin, too. There are too many of the them that add 2 plus 2 and come up with the answer "green".

The issue is that the densely populated urban areas get a level of power disproportionate to the size of the entire State. Our Founding Fathers realized this, too, which is why they established the Electoral College to elect the President, and didn't use the entire popular vote.

Today, since larger urban areas tend to be liberal and rural areas tend to be conservative or libertarian, there is a push by the left to do away with the Electoral College and elect the President by straight popular vote. They know this will skew Presidential elections to the liberal agenda much as Senate elections have been since Senators are no longer elected by State legislatures (the dumbest move the States have ever made, imo).

Kythas wrote:The issue is that the densely populated urban areas get a level of power disproportionate to the size of the entire State. Our Founding Fathers realized this, too, which is why they established the Electoral College to elect the President, and didn't use the entire popular vote.

Why is that, is there a reason for why you believe this, I mean everything I see is that although yes there are a lot of liberals in the densely populated areas, there are still more red states than blue states, and Im pretty sure that there is still a majority of conservatives in the outlying areas. Are they cheating? I mean personally I believe that liberals have to cheat to win (just my opinion no offence to honest liberals out there), hence the attorney general Eric Holder suing or blocking voter ID's and any legislation that would be friendly towards illegals, and then you have the Acorns and other things like in Ohio where they give a way free phones to get the vote of the poorer democratic voting communities. I would think that a popular vote is exactly what the liberals wouldnt want as I think the majority of America is still fairly conservative and if not at least middle of the road.

I still dont get the mindset of poor people voting for the same policies that have kept them poor for generations. A good example is Sheila Jackson lee. How does someone reelect her repeatedly when things are only getting worse every election????

rm9792 wrote:A good example is Sheila Jackson lee. How does someone reelect her repeatedly when things are only getting worse every election????

They don't play by the same rules. They cheat. They rig the elections. They rent busses and load them up. No voter registration, no problem, they fix them up. No voter ID, no problem they are taking care of that. Free lunch, you betcha!

AEA wrote:My point being......they voted for the mess they're in and moving to Texas to get away from it? Or, moving to start the same thing here? Have they really learned their lesson?

Has it ever occurred to you that the ones who vote that way are happy with California? It's the ones who hate the liberal politics who leave. That makes California more liberal, not Texas.

baldeagle wrote:

AEA wrote:My point being......they voted for the mess they're in and moving to Texas to get away from it? Or, moving to start the same thing here? Have they really learned their lesson?

Has it ever occurred to you that the ones who vote that way are happy with California? It's the ones who hate the liberal politics who leave. That makes California more liberal, not Texas.

Maybe, but I wouldn't count on that. Some liberals do follow their jobs, and when those jobs leave the state, those liberals go wherever those jobs go. And that's the thing......Companies are leaving California. They're taking those jobs with them, and at least some of their employees are following those jobs.

That is what brought me to Texas. I had lived here before back in the early and mid 1970s and had fond memories of it. My wife and I had talked about relocating here eventually anyway after we retired, simply to make our retirement dollars go further. So when my company made the decision to relocate to Texas, it was a no-brainer for us to go along with it and move here.

Now I was a conservative before moving here, but it could just as easily been the other way around.

I see ex-pat Californians trying to make Austin more like LA. Of course Austin has always been "Moscow on the Colorado" and a bastion of leftist dogma.

...we're the beneficiaries...?

Oldgringo wrote:...we're the beneficiaries...?

Kinda depends..... what do northwest Montanans think of you?

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:...we're the beneficiaries...?

Kinda depends..... what do northwest Montanans think of you?

Thanks for asking. We're accepted for what and who we are. We meld in without trying to change the culture, traditions or values and we pay our way. Montanans are kinda' like most real Texans except they talk funny. Some of our newest BFF's are the Canadians. They got it going on.

OTOH, northwest Montanans share our view of the OP's subject peoples. They do tend to want to be noticed, even in a crowd, and somehow think they are exempt from the rules and regs.

I hope we get to go back to Flathead Lake next summer. They're expecting up to 5" of snow tonight.

I have not read all the comments in here, but I did want to state that I was born and raised in southern California. I moved to Texas in 2005, and have not looked back. I love this state and have no plans of leaving it and am very proud of what this state is. Yes, there are things I would like to see changed, such as less illeagal imigrants and less gun control laws, but if we ever get like Califonia then I will move again

Nightshift wrote:

Kythas wrote:The issue is that the densely populated urban areas get a level of power disproportionate to the size of the entire State. Our Founding Fathers realized this, too, which is why they established the Electoral College to elect the President, and didn't use the entire popular vote.

Why is that, is there a reason for why you believe this, I mean everything I see is that although yes there are a lot of liberals in the densely populated areas, there are still more red states than blue states, and Im pretty sure that there is still a majority of conservatives in the outlying areas. Are they cheating? I mean personally I believe that liberals have to cheat to win (just my opinion no offence to honest liberals out there), hence the attorney general Eric Holder suing or blocking voter ID's and any legislation that would be friendly towards illegals, and then you have the Acorns and other things like in Ohio where they give a way free phones to get the vote of the poorer democratic voting communities. I would think that a popular vote is exactly what the liberals wouldnt want as I think the majority of America is still fairly conservative and if not at least middle of the road.

By the things that were said by the Founding Fathers, including in the Federalist Papers.

The Electoral College was supposed to ensure the "sense of the people" while also having a group of people as a layer between the people and the election. These people were supposed to actually choose and debate the candidates, with the popular vote being a consideration, but they were to weed out anyone who was not competent to hold the office. As Alexander Hamilton wrote in the Federalist Papers, the Electoral College is designed to ensure "that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications." The point of the Electoral College is to preserve "the sense of the people," while at the same time ensuring that a president is chosen "by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice."

Were this the case today, Obama may have actually been rejected by the College as unqualified to hold the office.

Madison feared what he called "factions" which would put their own common interest above that of the nation as a whole. He feared that certain factions could garner over 50% of the population and sway the elections if the president were elected by popular vote, ensuring their positions to the detriment of the rest of the country. The Electoral College was supposed to guard against this. This is what Alexis de Toqueville called the "tyranny of the majority". We are seeing that today, and this is a large reason why those on the Left want direct democracy, which our Founding Fathers actually feared; hence, our government is a Republic and not a Democracy.

Of course, we do have "factions" today, and they're called Republicans and Democrats. The Electoral College is also simply a formality today, as no deliberations are done anymore. It's just another way in which we've failed the vision of the founders of our nation.

As for the thread title, don't feel bad. I have a feeling the Wichita, Waco, Tawakoni, Caddo, Comanche and a few other native Texans said the same exact thing when they saw a bunch of immigrant foreigners moving in. But hey, things apparently turned out so well that even today out-of-state folks are still coming to Texas!