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Jumping Frog wrote:

JALLEN wrote:The news here tonight is that the agents were looking for a convict in an apartment. According to 2 witnesses, the woman was IN the apartment, and walked out passed the agents, and got in her car. The agent followed her demanding she talk to him, stop, etc. He was standing near the front of the car, with his foot in front of the left front tire and attempted to stop her from leaving. The reason she may have wanted to leave was that she was on probation for a drug related beef a year ago. The apartment is not where she lived, a party apartment with a "lot of traffic" per one witness.

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Well, another example of someone failing to observe the "Iron Triangle": don't go stupid places with stupid people doing stupid things.

If she tried to flee the seen because she was on probation and most likely high on drugs, I bet the toxicology tests would prove that. She wanted to get out of mess she was in, Police agent tried to stop the car, and she rammed him. He was on the hood for like couple hundreds yards and the car is still moving. Agent wanted the car threatening his car to stop, so he terminated the driver. If this what happens, agent would get a pass.

Dave2 wrote:Why would turning a car into an uncontrollable motorized ball of glass & steel be a good idea? I realize he wanted to get off, but it seems like his "solution" couldn't have improved the situation.

I am not trying to be facetious. Do the academies teach “how to get off the hood of a moving car” or “how to avoid ending up on the hood of a moving car”?

It seems that quite a few officers take this ride each year and at least the second one should be taught.

By the way, this was not even touched on when I was in classroom training. They taught absolutely no “street survival”. It was left up to your training officer on the job.

This is an updated article and it states she hit him twice showing the second time was very intentional and harder than the first

Police say Alvarado struck the agent at least once with her car. The agent then told her she was under arrest for vehicular assault and another agent reached through her window to try to remove the keys. She struck the agent again and drove more than 200 yards with him on the hood. According to witnesses, the car reached speeds of about 25 mph and crossed the median.

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If the report is true then this woman has no excuse. After hitting an agent once she was informed that she was under arrest and as another agent was trying to turn off her car she takes off hitting the agent again embedding him in her windshield. At a speed of 25 MPH that agent was on her hood for at least 16 seconds before he opened fire, I think at that point it would be safe to say she did not plan on stopping.

As it was stated before, this is something that LEOs simply do not train for, and for those who say he should rolled off anyway keep in mind that the fastest human speed ever recorded was only 27 MPH and that was from an Olympic athlete. So picture yourself running at a dead sprint ( Which is probably quite a bit slower than 25 MPH unless you are a competitive sprinter) then suddenly leaping up and landing either on your stomach or back onto asphalt.

As far as I am concerned I think the Border Patrol agent was completely justified in using deadly force.

I imagine that she was in violation of the terms of her probation by being in that apartment with known users possibly, known felons, possibly, and needed to disappear or end up in a revocation hearing with not much excuse.

JALLEN wrote:I imagine that she was in violation of the terms of her probation by being in that apartment with known users possibly, known felons, possibly, and needed to disappear or end up in a revocation hearing with not much excuse.

You are probably right JAllen, but be it drugs or associating with known felons or maybe a combination of both she made her choice... Rather than face a revocation hearing she chose instead to face down a Border Patrol agent's weapon. The real tragedy here are the 5 children she left behind, my prayers go out to them.