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Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:58 pm
by The Annoyed Man
sobrnola wrote:EDIT
Ok I finally found it. It is not under a specific header but under the employee code of conduct and substance abuse policy (what the heck) and it states my company has the right to discipline me if I am in the possession of a firearm on company property. It goes on to describe the different ways I can be punished if I am found to be concealing or possessing a firearm on company property. So that tells me that I'm a NO GO for carry at a company event, right?
Is the event
on company property?
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:12 pm
by gdanaher
If the company is putting on the party, they are renting or leasing the facility. How is that different from leasing the home office? I vote that it could be argued that this is a violation of company policy.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:16 pm
by Teamless
gdanaher wrote: I vote that it could be argued that this is a violation of company policy
No offense, but anything can be argued
I stated above the following,
Teamless wrote:mine has a no weapons policy while on the property, however at outside events we are allowed to carry.
I know this, as our HR guy is a gun guy, while he doesn't like the policy, he enforces it - on company property only, and off, he says carry away.
so it really depends on the company
Concealed is concealed, and if caught, all you have to say is the policy says "on company property" or "I thought the policy mean on company property"
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:40 pm
by smoothoperator
They don't have to argue anything. In Texas, they can terminate your employment without giving a reason.
The key to me is the language does not meet 30.06 requirements so it looks like it's legal to carry. Each of us has to decide for ourselves how much we like our job and the risk if we carry, and how much we like our life and the risk if we don't carry, and make a decision that's right for us.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:53 pm
by The Annoyed Man
gdanaher wrote:If the company is putting on the party, they are renting or leasing the facility. How is that different from leasing the home office? I vote that it could be argued that this is a violation of company policy.
sobrnola wrote:My company is having their annual Christmas party in Seabrook Tx. The location is Di Amici Upscale Events. Just wondering if carrying there falls under the "if there is alcohol don't carry"? I don't drink and was just wondering y'all s opinion or the laws involved.
http://www.diamiciupscaleevents.com/
Amenities Outside
~ Beautiful Double Iron Door Entry with Columns and Arches
~ Tuscan Spruce Trees
~ Terrace with 2- Sets of Double Doors off Grand Ballroom
~ 3-Tiered Outdoor Fountain and Granite Wet Bar on Terrace
~ Outdoor Lounge Furniture
~ Outdoor Lighting on Trees and Bar Area
Amenities Inside:
~ Grand Ballroom
~ Large Granite and Mosaic Glass Wet Bar with Columns and Archway
~ Banquet Room with Custom Murals
~ Scrolled Iron Spiral Staircase and Balcony
~ Elegant Chandeliers and Wall Sconces
~ Custom Draperies with Iron Decor
~ Custom Hand Painted Tuscan Murals
~ 3-Tiered Indoor Fountain and Lush Italian Trees and Foliage
~ Travertine and Decorative Marble Flooring with Spacious Dance Floor
~ (4) Flat Screen TVâs & DVD Players to Play Slideshows and/or Power Point Presentations
~ Bridal Suite â Brides Vanity and Separate Vanity areas for Bridesmaids with Mirrors, Crystal Hooks for Hanging Dresses, Floor Mirror and Elegant Chandeliers
~ Grooms Suite â Flat Screen TV, Bar, Shuffleboard & Leather Seating
~ Family Lounge Area â Comfortable lounge seating between Bride and Groom Suites
Unless the company is renting the entire facility, it would be difficult to see how it could be argued that they were "in control" of the property. OTH, "concealed is concealed." Only you can decide if the risk is worth it, but there is no
legal liability for getting found out. You could lose your job, but you won't get arrested for anything.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:20 am
by Jaguar
Are spouses invited to this party?
If so and if they have a CHL, the spouses could carry without breaking any policies, assuming it is not otherwise posted.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:54 am
by dac1842
Let me throw a fly in the ointment. Please be sure to refer to your employee handbook and see if there is any reference to carry at company sponsored functions or company property. The reason I mention the property is this, I worked for a company that would not allow carrying on company property, including property leased or rented by the company. If the company is leasing a closed off area of the establishment, or the entire establishment, you may not be in violation of state law, but could be in violation of company policy.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:55 am
by sobrnola
I guess since this will be a violation of company policy I will just leave my gun in my car. But I will be armed with 2 good knives and my self defense training...
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:27 pm
by longtooth
AT contact distance, which is probably where you will be, the gun will not be your best bet probably. You will be well armed for CLOSE quarters as you described.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:11 pm
by jimlongley
Our yearly party, this year it's called a Christmas party, is NOT sponsored by the company directly, to throw a different wrench into the works, it is sponsored by the "employee fund" which is controlled by the employees not the company, therefore I carry.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:47 am
by sobrnola
Now my question is about my wifes company party. Since I am not an employee of her company is it ok for me to carry there as long as its not 30.06 or 51% posted?
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:09 am
by harrycallahan
I didn't carry at mine. The company provided limos, plus alcohol was involved and we have a company policy against carry, so I left it in the car.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:30 am
by Scott in Houston
sobrnola wrote:Now my question is about my wifes company party. Since I am not an employee of her company is it ok for me to carry there as long as its not 30.06 or 51% posted?
They can't fire you.
Re: Company Party Carry???
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:57 pm
by recaffeination
Designated driver so I didn't drink, so I carried at the company party at HMNS last week. Nobody cared.