Questions on working alone;ALONE ?

stroo · Post by **stroo** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:02 pm

He might want to consider keeping a shotgun in a handy spot in the shop as well.

Venus Pax · Post by **Venus Pax** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:10 pm

stroo wrote:He might want to consider keeping a shotgun in a handy spot in the shop as well.

A shotgun won't do him much good if a BG sneaks up on him while he's working with noisy machinery. He needs to find a way to lock himself in and/or find a work buddy.

Piney · Post by **Piney** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:10 am

Venus Pax wrote:
A shotgun won't do him much good if a BG sneaks up on him while he's working with noisy machinery. He needs to find a way to lock himself in and/or find a work buddy.

Might I suggest a big dog.......

stroo · Post by **stroo** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:28 am

A dog or motion sensor is most likely the best things to keep someone from sneaking up on him. However then he still needs to defend himself. A hand gun is handy but a shot gun is a better stopper. Both would probably be even better.

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:40 am

txinvestigator wrote:
TIN BENDER wrote:Liberty,
Thank you. Now another concern. What about transporting a weapon in your vehicle with no CHL ? Locked in the trunk? Under the seat ? Glove box? What does he do ? My guess is GET CERTIFIED and CONCEAL . What do you think?
Texas law also makes UCW (Unlawful carrying weapons, TPC 46.02) non-applicable if the person is traveling. Under 46.15, a person is presumed to be traveling if the person meets 5 requirements;

1) in a private motor vehicle
2) The handgun is concealed
3) The person is not a member of a criminal street gang
4) The person is not engaged in other criminal activity (other than traffic offenses, etc)
5) The person is not otherwise prohibited from being in possession of a firearm under federal law

If the person meets those 5, then the person is traveling.

However, obtaining a CHL is easy, and he will learn the Texas use of force laws, etc.

Yeah, but from what I've been reading there are a lot of renegade police and DAs who are not accepting the law for what it is. One may actually be legally justified in carrying, but there is no winning this. The charged still gets to spend some quality time in jail and spend big bucks on ;lawyers. Being found innocent can be of little comfort.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:52 am

Liberty wrote:
txinvestigator wrote:
TIN BENDER wrote:Liberty,
Thank you. Now another concern. What about transporting a weapon in your vehicle with no CHL ? Locked in the trunk? Under the seat ? Glove box? What does he do ? My guess is GET CERTIFIED and CONCEAL . What do you think?
Texas law also makes UCW (Unlawful carrying weapons, TPC 46.02) non-applicable if the person is traveling. Under 46.15, a person is presumed to be traveling if the person meets 5 requirements;

1) in a private motor vehicle
2) The handgun is concealed
3) The person is not a member of a criminal street gang
4) The person is not engaged in other criminal activity (other than traffic offenses, etc)
5) The person is not otherwise prohibited from being in possession of a firearm under federal law

If the person meets those 5, then the person is traveling.

However, obtaining a CHL is easy, and he will learn the Texas use of force laws, etc.
Yeah, but from what I've been reading there are a lot of renegade police and DAs who are not accepting the law for what it is. One may actually be legally justified in carrying, but there is no winning this. The charged still gets to spend some quality time in jail and spend big bucks on ;lawyers. Being found innocent can be of little comfort.

NO, you have NOT read that there are a lot of renegade police. 2 or 3 prosecutors have made it clear that they will prosecute, but none in the Dallas area. I have spoken to many officers from different agencies about this, and they all know the law and have no problem with it.

However, if you notice, I DID suggest he obtain a CHL.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:33 pm

' Morning TX. Ya been sweetnin' the coffee with gunpowder again?

stevie_d_64 · Post by **stevie_d_64** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:41 pm

seamusTX wrote:
TIN BENDER wrote:Friend wants to open a business machine shop in a leased building ,warehouse dist.
He will be working alone at night with the overhead door open.
Why does he need the door open? Ventilation?

If so, he can put a locked fence across the opening. I've seen these things. They look like the gate you put at the top of the stairs when you have babies in the house, but made of steel.

With loud machinery and concentrating on his work, someone could sneak up on him before he knew what was happening.

- Jim

I was looking through this thread and saw this wonderful answer to the issue...The issue is not about the method of how your friend wants to protect himself while working his "machinery"...

But how to deter ot prevent someone from considering doing something criminally to him...

The idea behind the open-ness necessary for proper shop ventilation is a good one...Its done in many places where I have worked in the past...

Simple alarm systems that turn on a special light, or buzzer to let him know if someone is approaching the outer defenses (for lack of a better term) would be something to look into as well...A good video/recording system to document any potential problems would work well in the event of any discrepancies in testimonies...

I think it would be great to work in an environment like that...I could get a lot done...Make lots of money...I hope that happens here...

I am in agreement with "seamusTX" here...

And if you couldn't work around having a firearm ready on your hip for some reason...

The next best thing would be a standard pump-action shotgun (loaded with the "00"

), that no one else (but him) should know about, be within reasonable distance to utilize in the event of some unsavory circumstances coming your way...

I wish him all the luck in that business of his!

TIN BENDER · Post by **TIN BENDER** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:39 pm

What a first class forum ! You have covered so many scenerios, it's hard to imagine. Lots of great ideas were received. I'm not going to pass all this info on just yet. Could be a couple more items to recall from our interested members.
My CHL instructor believes that THE TRAVELER has never been defined in our TEXAS SYSTEM. I'm sure we all can find that GRAY Area Here. I'll hire a lawyer if ever needed. Hope not.
Thank all of you.

ElGato · Post by **ElGato** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:11 pm

TIN BENDER wrote: My CHL instructor believes that THE TRAVELER has never been defined in our TEXAS SYSTEM. I'm sure we all can find that GRAY Area Here. I'll hire a lawyer if ever needed. Hope not.
Thank all of you.

I respectfuly disagree with your instructor, I think the five requirement's for the presumption made it perfectly clear.

Greybeard · Post by **Greybeard** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:00 am

"perfectly clear" except to those who don't like it and/or get paid big $ to argue over of the meaning of simple words

Liberty · Post by **Liberty** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:02 am

txinvestigator wrote: NO, you have NOT read that there are a lot of renegade police. 2 or 3 prosecutors have made it clear that they will prosecute, but none in the Dallas area. I have spoken to many officers from different agencies about this, and they all know the law and have no problem with it.

However, if you notice, I DID suggest he obtain a CHL.

I tried to respond to this last night and it got blown away twice on me.

Hey, I don't know how ytou know wjhat I've been reading. You looking over my shoulder or something!!! .. But there were 14 or more prosecuters and DAs all from different different countys mentioned in the article in the TSRA page see http://www.tsra.com Click on above the law. Yes cops are arresting and charging folks at least in Houston area with UCW that meet the 5 requirements claiming the courts can sort it out.

txinvestigator · Post by **txinvestigator** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:46 am

Liberty wrote:
txinvestigator wrote: NO, you have NOT read that there are a lot of renegade police. 2 or 3 prosecutors have made it clear that they will prosecute, but none in the Dallas area. I have spoken to many officers from different agencies about this, and they all know the law and have no problem with it.

However, if you notice, I DID suggest he obtain a CHL.
I tried to respond to this last night and it got blown away twice on me.

Hey, I don't know how ytou know wjhat I've been reading. You looking over my shoulder or something!!! .. But there were 14 or more prosecuters and DAs all from different different countys mentioned in the article in the TSRA page see http://www.tsra.com Click on above the law. Yes cops are arresting and charging folks at least in Houston area with UCW that meet the 5 requirements claiming the courts can sort it out.

I would be interested to read about those cases of cops arresting people who met the 5 requirements, since you know about them.

KBCraig · Post by **KBCraig** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:12 pm

ElGato wrote:
TIN BENDER wrote: My CHL instructor believes that THE TRAVELER has never been defined in our TEXAS SYSTEM. I'm sure we all can find that GRAY Area Here. I'll hire a lawyer if ever needed. Hope not.
Thank all of you.
I respectfuly disagree with your instructor, I think the five requirement's for the presumption made it perfectly clear.

The instructor might not be right, but he's technically correct. "Travel/er/ing" is still not defined in the penal code, although there are a listed combination of circumstances under which one is presumed to be traveling.

A definition would have made things much simpler.

Kevin

Venus Pax · Post by **Venus Pax** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:48 pm

Boys, be nice.

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