Presidents Makes Speech For Gun Control

[Andrew]

Powerboatr...thank you for your service, I'm deeply appreciative of your defense of our great Nation, and it's Constitution, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
I'm confused about some of your statements.
Why does purchasing "Tac" gear, I'm assuming you mean plate carriers or chest rigs, magazine pouches, backpacks, hydration bladders and carriers, dump bags, LBE, etc. with PALS or ALICE options make one Odd?
Folks collect all manner of stuff that takes their fancy, I recall a recent auction where a collection of Viet Nam era Zippo Lighters sold for $35,000.00. (Shoot, if I'd have known it'd be worth something I would have kept mine when I quit smoking,lol).
Airsoft and Paintball guys regularly use camo fatigues and gear when they are playing. 3 Gun Competitors, Bow hunters, Hikers, Backpackers, etc. all use the gear too. Why does that make them odd? The stuff is tough(soldiers can break anything), infinitely adjustable, and relatively inexpensive when compared to other high end gear. Some purchasers may be LEOs, or Moms and Dads that are sending snivel gear to deployed sons and daughters.
Or are you refering to "Survivalists" or "Preppers", you know, those whackos that think that the world as we know it will be ending soon? Or Militia nuts or reclusive religious groups or whatever?
How does your daughter-in-laws mental instability and possession of a firearm conflate with my being able to legally sell or transfer my property at a Gun Show or through the want ads or a website? I'm responsible person, wouldn't sell to minors or other questionable customers(unlike the BATFE).
Why does your experience trump my rights?

[Purplehood]

Powerboatr,

Why do we need to "fix" the things you describe?

If some Rambo-wannabe runs around in full tactical gear while shooting at a Deer, I don't care as long as he (she) doesn't do anything dangerous to others. That same gear may stand him in good stead someday when things go south and survival really becomes important.

The problem with Guns/Mags/EBR's and the like is that their Operators violate already existing laws. So enforce them.
We sure do not have any viable method of tracking people that are certifiably/verified to be Mentally-Ill, but we sure do have the ability to track down law-abiding citizens that follow the rules and purchase legal weapons.

As long as the President and the Media and the Politicians and the Sheeple allow this serious-disconnect to persist we will continue to experience knee-jerk reactions against the wrong issues.

[Carry-a-Kimber]

pretty much on the fence about ar-15's they were designed to be an offensive weapon against other enemies.
i hunt pigs and we use 308 or 7mm

I would assume that neither your 308 nor your 7-08 are bolt action rifles then, as the bolt action rifle was designed to be an offensive weapon against other enemies. Such is the case for most semi-auto handguns, muzzle loaded rifles, lever action rifles, single shot rifles, pump action shotguns, and revolvers both single and double action.

[hpcatx]

but...why does the average joe/jane need full tactical gear

Thank you for your service. Just to be clear, though, when you were defending this great country and the Constitution, you were not just ensuring your ability to hunt; that is a freedom derived from the principles on which our country was founded, but not explicitly stated. The 2A, on the other hand, was expressly crafted as a protection against tyranny -- that every day citizens would have access to the same tools for defense used by the forces that may attempt to subjugate them. Only our freedom from tyranny allows use to exercise our other rights, such as free speech, religion, or hunting.

my ex daughter in law was certifiably nuts, including death threats and the like, she stole a firearm that was my sons, she even put it to his head....
but the court awarded it to her in the divorce/// figure that one out. if a ncic check had been done the firearm would not be hers.

Sounds like the judge made a decision that would have overruled a required NCIS background check (legislative) or BATFE (executive) mandate, anyhow. Was her mental soundness challenged with regard to the award of this firearm?

ETA last sentence, first paragraph.

[Thomas]

my ex daughter in law was certifiably nuts, including death threats and the like, she stole a firearm that was my sons, she even put it to his head....
but the court awarded it to her in the divorce/// figure that one out. if a ncic check had been done the firearm would not be hers.

Sorry to hear. Divorces can be nasty, so unless she was actually certified (certifiable in one's own opinion doesn't count), then the judge just sees it as his word against hers (unless maybe there was two or more witnesses).

[VMI77]

couldn't we as Texans pass a law similar to WA or CO and make semi autos over 10 rounds legal here.
pretty much on the fence about ar-15's they were designed to be an offensive weapon against other enemies.
i hunt pigs and we use 308 or 7mm
i have a few at the range that have ar 15s so heavily modified they are imo unsafe
if you squeeze the trigger the recoil sets off another round, because the trigger work is sooooo finessed
its an impossible target or accurate firearm


they has to be a happy medium,

I own an AR-15 type rifle and I'm a "retired" veteran as well. So are you saying that you might be okay with the Federal government making me into an overnight FELON, even though the most law breaking I've done in my life is speed a bit on the highway? BTW, my rifle has NOT been "finessed" and it is NOT unsafe to operate. People that do stuff like that, who don't understand safe operation of firearms, are a completely different story...but that kind of behavior on THEIR PART still shouldn't cause ME to be looking at a potential 10 years in Federal prison, if the leftists get their way because not enough folks stand up to them. And I am just ONE guy on this forum who owns an AR-type...you might be okay with all of them being made overnight FELONS too? Because that is how you made it sound with the sitting on the fence comment, at least to me. The "happy medium" is for the Feds to leave me and other law-abiding firearms owners alone unless we use our firearms in unprovoked and unjustifiable aggression against other human beings.

sorry you missed my point and I may not have expressed my thoughts accurately
i fully support the right to buy or own what ever is LEGAL, I emphasize LEGAL.
I have qualified on many of the military weapons that are designed to render the enemy immobile, even have a few medals for such.
but I have issues using the same "item" for hunting, when there are far superior firearms for such events. I have issue with those that finesse these "items" to the point they are uncontrollable or unsafe, or could directly threaten my safety by their use. We have a very active director that roots those persons out and loose their membership. Those persons are the reason we as legal owners or users of a WIDE variety of firearms are constantly put under the bus. In no way should a law be placed into effect that retroactively makes one a criminal by owning a "what was legal before" firearm. That sir i would fight to the death to defend.
we as good folks have to break the stigma or paradigm others have of created by their cowardice acts.
I was at academy sports a few days back.
we are a society of emulating our heroes.
but...why does the average joe/jane need full tactical gear, complete with pouches for body armour and all the neat velcro sticky pads adorned on the vest and pants? and gloves you can use with your IPAD while wearing them on the hunt???
i am amazed at the range of gear in gray tactical that is pushed on us. it is legal but ODD imo.
I see the need to hide from deer and turkeys (dont look up), but some "rambos" really make the "normals" look bad by association. That is what we need to fix.
unfortunately there are a whole bunch of these persons running around.
closing the gun show loopholes would be a good start and also if a private sell is done, it should be held under the same rules a ffl has to follow.
my ex daughter in law was certifiably nuts, including death threats and the like, she stole a firearm that was my sons, she even put it to his head....
but the court awarded it to her in the divorce/// figure that one out. if a ncic check had been done the firearm would not be hers.

Respectfully, I think you're wrong on so many counts. In the first place, the AR15 WAS NOT designed for combat. It is semi-automatic and has no selective fire capability. It was made to IMITATE military weapons and is functionally no different than a Ruger mini-14.

Secondly, you seem not to understand the purpose of the 2nd Amendment --it wasn't written to guarantee your hunting privileges. But even as a matter of plain self-defense, why on earth WOULDN'T you want to own body armor? I don't understand why anyone would want to confront a potential killer in the home without wearing body armor if that choice is available. Do you think that's "unfair" or something?

Finally, an unenforceable law is not worth the paper it's written on...in fact, it is worse than no law because enforcement becomes arbitrary and capricious by necessity. It's not possible to enforce background checks on private transfers without registration, and registration = confiscation......everywhere there has been registration it has been followed by confiscation. And the people who would acquire weapons for illegal purposes aren't going to be purchasing registered weapons anyway. These kinds of transfer restrictions will, however, make non-registered (i.e. stolen) weapons more valuable, and lead to an increase in thefts, as well as assaults, burglaries, and murders.

Edited to add:

Oh yeah, and when you say you support buying what is "legal," what you're really saying is that the 2nd Amendment is irrelevant, since the government can make anything illegal. What is legal is completely arbitrary. It was legal to mail order guns when I was a kid. Fully automatic weapons were legal in 1920. "High capacity" magazines are illegal in California. Concealed carry is illegal in Illinois. Gun ownership is a RIGHT. The Constitution does not GRANT this right, it merely recognizes its existence. What is truly ILLEGAL is infringement of this right by Congress, since the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

[powerboatr]

AR-15, it was designed by arma lite and later the rights were sold to colt and it entered service as a m-16, and has enjoyed world wide use , much like the ak-47 and its variants
it was also marketed by colt in a civilian version as did many other manufacturers. but it was designed from the beginning as a very good person immobilizer.
and yes bolt action rifles like the m1, 7mm, 308 and others were also developed to immobilize the enemy, and many bolt actions and their variants are used to hunt game.

I apologize if my comments ragged some and caused them to question my integrity.
I would say my beef or concern is the "wanna be Rambos".

Any firearm modified to the point it is unsafe is imo, wrong and dangerous for the user and any surrounding parties.

Body armor...don’t even want to try to wear it to bed. I admit it may help if an armed gun person enters my home with the intent to harm or murder me.

Should we be allowed to wear it, as if it’s a part of the daily attire? Not sure I see why one would want to, does it meet an objective? If we are so in fear that we must wear body armor on a routine basis, then we have a whole lot more pressing concerns than a new gun law or enforcement of current laws. Unless its required as part of your job.

The tactical gear proliferation strikes me as the "flashpoint" wanna be crowd. I have no use for it; i simply stated its ODD, imo
If some want to hunt wearing tactical grey gear, good for them. I just find it Odd.
Especially walking down the street.
And if your texting while we are sitting in the blind, I am going to crush the phone.

The best camouflage is the one you don't see. Maybe my years of overseas living and deployments have changed me...but blending is better than standing out when you desire NOT to be a target or potential victim. Not be a sheep or lemming, but blend and be ready for an event if it arises, that is all. Just like having a “to go bag” and plan when or if a situation arises.
I.E. If one was to engage in an activity to murder folks at random. Ask yourself who is going to be the first targets?
We did some very revealing research about victims, targets and survivors.
We have no way to stop what the sick person did last friday, he was bent on murder, the lone wolf is almost impossible to detect.

legal and supporting the 2nd amendment: yes we have the right by the sacred document to protect ourselves, the founders knew that, no government or its entity can protect "YOURSELF" like you can .
But common sense has to be applied with some restrictions; do we want persons protecting their property with howitzers? Where does the line get drawn, imo, there has to be a sensible approach to the good, the bad and ugly.


Accuracy over quantity is the win every time,

Is everyone going to be happy with any firearm legislation? No. but the point is that laws we have need to be ENFORCED, before any new laws are designed.
Why has Chicago already had over 500 murders this year? Obvious the existing strict laws in chicago are a not effective or enforced

Background checks and registration: yes for some that may equal confiscation at some point ( I truly hope not).
IMO but everyone taking possession of a firearm should be checked out.
Those states that require registration of a firearm are wrong, but background checks are not. Putting that kind of info in the hands of a government run database is like letting a fox run a hen house. How long would it be before the bad guys know who has what and then decide to go liberate such items? Our CHL info is protected by a gov. database….but for how long and who is reading it?

It is an impossible feat to account for all the firearms imported or produced to our great land, so why bother. But getting a sanity check on a potential buyer is helpful albeit only a small bit. Granted this wont stop the bad guys, but it may catch a few that are leaning.

Criminals don’t worry about backgrounds or buying their weapons, this has always been since man first figured out he could take what was not his by force.
Is there an easy answer? No
Stricter enforcement on bad guys, sure......how many prisons do we need? SWIFT Execution perhaps would be a better option. We have a long long road to get firearms out of the hands of those that shouldn’t have them.
As a member of society we must accept some restrictions. The admission price you pay for living here and enjoying the freedoms so many have fought for, are Laws.
Common Sense has been lacking for decades dealing with the right to own firearms.
As citizens its up to us to come up with sound plans, and inform our elected officials. If it takes a letter or phone call everyday, so be it.

I will say again, my opinions on (ar 15),m16, m14, m60 and all other military weapons are mine.
If you desire to own one responsibly, that’s your business. I don’t label those as criminals or loose cannons, but I do reserve the right to question the sanity of modifying any firearm to be dangerous around me or the operator.


Daughter in law, yes medically unstable and under treatment, but New Mexico, as I found out, is not part of the U.S. when dealing with the judiciary, unless you have lots and lots of money. The case is still tied up in court. I expect her to show up in Texas and be arrested anytime. Or she will follow through on her threats and try to immobilize me or my family.

I wish we as a country were so engaged on DWI, as we are on gun control

[O6nop]

bolt action rifles like the m1

I always thought an m1 was semiautomatic...

bolt actions and their variants

What is a bolt action variant?

The remainder of your post was a little confusing as well, it sounds like some gun control is OK with you like gun checks and registration as long as it meets a "common sense" criteria. To me when someone uses that term it usually means "their opinion".

This is confusing:

blending is better than standing out when you desire NOT to be a target
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the lone wolf is almost impossible to detect.

And this is really confusing:

we must accept some restrictions. The admission price you pay for living here and enjoying the freedoms

And one more...

But common sense has to be applied with some restrictions; do we want persons protecting their property with howitzers? Where does the line get drawn, imo, there has to be a sensible approach to the good, the bad and ugly.

Howitzers fall under the National Firearms act of 1934 as a destructive device (of course, I had to look that up to be sure). So, use what's practical.
And along with the NFA-1934, Gun Control Act of 1968 and the Brady act we already have restrictions which identify for you lines that are already drawn.

Mostly I'm just messing with you but your post is a little puzzling. I'm a late bloomer regarding firearms, so clarity is important to me.

[VMI77]

I'll riff about common sense as 06nop mentioned. "Common sense" is not a standard upon which legislation can be based, and one reason, as he indicated, it that it is no more than someone's opinion. When the antis use the term "common sense" it is just a ploy to convince the people ignorant about guns that they are being reasonable, when they aren't. Sort of like how the Brady Bunch has redefined "mass shooting" to include drive by gang shootings where three or more persons are present --even if no one is injured. IOW, it's an intentional deception by which they now claim that there are 20 mass shootings a year. You can't rationally discuss common sense regulation with liars.

[Heartland Patriot]

I'll only add one last thing on here...I've been to ranges in California and Texas...and a few folks in California and a bunch of folks here in Texas own ARs. I've never seen one that had been modified to fire more rapidly, to the best of my knowledge; most ranges I've been to have a 2 or 3 seconds between shots rule anyway. I HAVE seen them tricked out with scopes and other optics, railz (nod to AndyC ), all types of stocks and grips, etc to improve accuracy, fit the owner better, or LOOK "cool". And the number one malfunction that I've seen with the AR is jams...usually from using cheap steel case ammo (guilty of this myself ). I don't know where all these wannabe Rambo types are at, but please let us know so I can stay away from them.